Darren Sanders @ 5/6/2017 19:39

vladykins @ 5/6/2017 8:00 Darren Sanders @ 4/6/2017 19:46 vladykins @ 4/6/2017 10:52 I had a great time- despite DS pulling vendetta stuff on my chaos partner. My targets kept getting killed before I could lynch them until finally I got Kiwi lynched, then got brian for the second target. Only to have Stephen (I assume) kill me that night. :( So close, yet so far. It had absolutely nothing to do with a vendetta, it was completely random lol 1) Nobody actually believes that. 2) Even if it *was* random, you should have realized that it would look bad and decided on doing a second "randomization". I work for a Big 4 firm. We have independence rules that seem overly stupid at times, but the point is to avoid anyone coming in and accusing the audit team of going easy because there is a business relationship between someone at the firm and the company being audited. Half a moment of self-realization would have shown you that this would look bad. 1) I dont actually care what anyone wishes to believe about a situation that involves my personal judgment and something I know to be the truth. It WAS random, regardless of what you wish to believe. I can't change your perception of MY reality, you do you boo. 2) I honestly didnt even remember that Spin had pulled some crazy shit on me until you guys started mentioning it. I dont hold grudges like that. 3) Like I said, it was a random split second decision in an attempt to get scum to target me and be outed. Didnt work, but I'd posit that killing a scum player and getting the mafia to use their ninja kill was worth it. I am sorry that Mittens got caught up in the crossfire though. My bad dude!

Except you didn't kill a scum player. Read the mod forum, Team Chaos winning had no bearing on whether or not town won. So good job, you got a 3rd party lyncher killed, a town watcher killed, and yourself killed. HOF for sure.

Speaking of which will there be a hof

yes once i get some free time to organize it all

spindoctor02 @ 6/6/2017 2:28

Darren Sanders @ 5/6/2017 19:39 vladykins @ 5/6/2017 8:00 Darren Sanders @ 4/6/2017 19:46 vladykins @ 4/6/2017 10:52 I had a great time- despite DS pulling vendetta stuff on my chaos partner. My targets kept getting killed before I could lynch them until finally I got Kiwi lynched, then got brian for the second target. Only to have Stephen (I assume) kill me that night. :( So close, yet so far. It had absolutely nothing to do with a vendetta, it was completely random lol 1) Nobody actually believes that. 2) Even if it *was* random, you should have realized that it would look bad and decided on doing a second "randomization". I work for a Big 4 firm. We have independence rules that seem overly stupid at times, but the point is to avoid anyone coming in and accusing the audit team of going easy because there is a business relationship between someone at the firm and the company being audited. Half a moment of self-realization would have shown you that this would look bad. 1) I dont actually care what anyone wishes to believe about a situation that involves my personal judgment and something I know to be the truth. It WAS random, regardless of what you wish to believe. I can't change your perception of MY reality, you do you boo. 2) I honestly didnt even remember that Spin had pulled some crazy shit on me until you guys started mentioning it. I dont hold grudges like that. 3) Like I said, it was a random split second decision in an attempt to get scum to target me and be outed. Didnt work, but I'd posit that killing a scum player and getting the mafia to use their ninja kill was worth it. I am sorry that Mittens got caught up in the crossfire though. My bad dude! Except you didn't kill a scum player. Read the mod forum, Team Chaos winning had no bearing on whether or not town won. So good job, you got a 3rd party lyncher killed, a town watcher killed, and yourself killed. HOF for sure.

Hey you were after me, so I'm very glad DS did that.

How funny you had to lynch the Vengeful Town btw.

spindoctor02 @ 5/6/2017 17:28

Darren Sanders @ 5/6/2017 19:39 vladykins @ 5/6/2017 8:00 Darren Sanders @ 4/6/2017 19:46 vladykins @ 4/6/2017 10:52 I had a great time- despite DS pulling vendetta stuff on my chaos partner. My targets kept getting killed before I could lynch them until finally I got Kiwi lynched, then got brian for the second target. Only to have Stephen (I assume) kill me that night. :( So close, yet so far. It had absolutely nothing to do with a vendetta, it was completely random lol 1) Nobody actually believes that. 2) Even if it *was* random, you should have realized that it would look bad and decided on doing a second "randomization". I work for a Big 4 firm. We have independence rules that seem overly stupid at times, but the point is to avoid anyone coming in and accusing the audit team of going easy because there is a business relationship between someone at the firm and the company being audited. Half a moment of self-realization would have shown you that this would look bad. 1) I dont actually care what anyone wishes to believe about a situation that involves my personal judgment and something I know to be the truth. It WAS random, regardless of what you wish to believe. I can't change your perception of MY reality, you do you boo. 2) I honestly didnt even remember that Spin had pulled some crazy shit on me until you guys started mentioning it. I dont hold grudges like that. 3) Like I said, it was a random split second decision in an attempt to get scum to target me and be outed. Didnt work, but I'd posit that killing a scum player and getting the mafia to use their ninja kill was worth it. I am sorry that Mittens got caught up in the crossfire though. My bad dude! Except you didn't kill a scum player. Read the mod forum, Team Chaos winning had no bearing on whether or not town won. So good job, you got a 3rd party lyncher killed, a town watcher killed, and yourself killed. HOF for sure.

You weren't town, so you were scum.

Darren Sanders @ 5/6/2017 19:39

vladykins @ 5/6/2017 8:00 Darren Sanders @ 4/6/2017 19:46 vladykins @ 4/6/2017 10:52 I had a great time- despite DS pulling vendetta stuff on my chaos partner. My targets kept getting killed before I could lynch them until finally I got Kiwi lynched, then got brian for the second target. Only to have Stephen (I assume) kill me that night. :( So close, yet so far. It had absolutely nothing to do with a vendetta, it was completely random lol 1) Nobody actually believes that. 2) Even if it *was* random, you should have realized that it would look bad and decided on doing a second "randomization". I work for a Big 4 firm. We have independence rules that seem overly stupid at times, but the point is to avoid anyone coming in and accusing the audit team of going easy because there is a business relationship between someone at the firm and the company being audited. Half a moment of self-realization would have shown you that this would look bad. 1) I dont actually care what anyone wishes to believe about a situation that involves my personal judgment and something I know to be the truth. It WAS random, regardless of what you wish to believe. I can't change your perception of MY reality, you do you boo. 2) I honestly didnt even remember that Spin had pulled some crazy shit on me until you guys started mentioning it. I dont hold grudges like that. 3) Like I said, it was a random split second decision in an attempt to get scum to target me and be outed. Didnt work, but I'd posit that killing a scum player and getting the mafia to use their ninja kill was worth it. I am sorry that Mittens got caught up in the crossfire though. My bad dude!

Except you don't even have a clear perception of the situation at all still. You didn't kill scum, you killed third party. In addition, the mafia didn't "use their ninja kill" as if it was a one shot or anything- zach was a ninja. Mafia would use that every time until he is killed, because why send out somebody who could be spotted when you could send out somebody who would never be spotted?

And once again: you can pretend you don't care about what anyone thinks, but you probably should, because mafia is a social game. It isn't about doing your own thing, it is working as a team to win as a team (except for the roles totally devoid of team, like SK or survivor). At this point people will wonder if you have the team's interest in mind. THAT should make you think more than anything.

Town won bruh, and third party IS scum

Technically not anti-town scum.

Darren Sanders @ 6/6/2017 12:57

Town won bruh, and third party IS scum

If you look at Herm's investigations, they show up as:

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Action: Each night you will select a player and will be told if they are "Town" or "Not Town"."

Scum = anti-town

I've bitched about this for a few games now, but third party who is *not* SK or cult does not equal anti-town. The key difference is that if you can win when town wins, then you aren't anti-town. Third party survivor is a perfect example- town gains absolutely nothing by lynching one and, if town has the advantage in game, then it is to their detriment to focus their attention on such a role when they could be targeting scum.

Cult = scum? Yep. They can't win if town wins. SK = scum? Yep- they can't win if town is still alive. But targeting the creepy girl, warlock, or the myriad alternate win conditions roles doesn't help town and sometimes hurts town.

vladykins @ 6/6/2017 13:30

Darren Sanders @ 6/6/2017 12:57 Town won bruh, and third party IS scum If you look at Herm's investigations, they show up as: Quote Action: Each night you will select a player and will be told if they are "Town" or "Not Town"." Scum = anti-town I've bitched about this for a few games now, but third party who is *not* SK or cult does not equal anti-town. The key difference is that if you can win when town wins, then you aren't anti-town. Third party survivor is a perfect example- town gains absolutely nothing by lynching one and, if town has the advantage in game, then it is to their detriment to focus their attention on such a role when they could be targeting scum. Cult = scum? Yep. They can't win if town wins. SK = scum? Yep- they can't win if town is still alive. But targeting the creepy girl, warlock, or the myriad alternate win conditions roles doesn't help town and sometimes hurts town.

i have been trying to get them to learn this for over a year now, its tough going.

im317 @ 6/6/2017 13:41

vladykins @ 6/6/2017 13:30 Darren Sanders @ 6/6/2017 12:57 Town won bruh, and third party IS scum If you look at Herm's investigations, they show up as: Quote Action: Each night you will select a player and will be told if they are "Town" or "Not Town"." Scum = anti-town I've bitched about this for a few games now, but third party who is *not* SK or cult does not equal anti-town. The key difference is that if you can win when town wins, then you aren't anti-town. Third party survivor is a perfect example- town gains absolutely nothing by lynching one and, if town has the advantage in game, then it is to their detriment to focus their attention on such a role when they could be targeting scum. Cult = scum? Yep. They can't win if town wins. SK = scum? Yep- they can't win if town is still alive. But targeting the creepy girl, warlock, or the myriad alternate win conditions roles doesn't help town and sometimes hurts town. i have been trying to get them to learn this for over a year now, its tough going.

It's almost as tough as teaching DS to stop claiming for no reason and forcing mass role claims on D2.

Well if that is how we should look at TP (not saying we should or shouldn't) then Spin could have fully claimed (possibly even hiding the TP part first) and if that didn't work then vlady could have backed him up. For a large part my vote for Spin was based on the way he defended himself, SOMETHING seemed off...

im317 @ 6/6/2017 14:41

vladykins @ 6/6/2017 13:30 Darren Sanders @ 6/6/2017 12:57 Town won bruh, and third party IS scum If you look at Herm's investigations, they show up as: Quote Action: Each night you will select a player and will be told if they are "Town" or "Not Town"." Scum = anti-town I've bitched about this for a few games now, but third party who is *not* SK or cult does not equal anti-town. The key difference is that if you can win when town wins, then you aren't anti-town. Third party survivor is a perfect example- town gains absolutely nothing by lynching one and, if town has the advantage in game, then it is to their detriment to focus their attention on such a role when they could be targeting scum. Cult = scum? Yep. They can't win if town wins. SK = scum? Yep- they can't win if town is still alive. But targeting the creepy girl, warlock, or the myriad alternate win conditions roles doesn't help town and sometimes hurts town. i have been trying to get them to learn this for over a year now, its tough going.

Who is them

DS is one of yours

Plenty of FE members have always subscribed to that line of thinking. GET THAT THEM OUTTA HERE!!

Lamps @ 6/6/2017 13:48

Well if that is how we should look at TP (not saying we should or shouldn't) then Spin could have fully claimed (possibly even hiding the TP part first) and if that didn't work then vlady could have backed him up. For a large part my vote for Spin was based on the way he defended himself, SOMETHING seemed off...

I knew that I could win with town, but I didn't know how I'd scan to a day cop. Plus, if he was a day cop, it didn't do me any good to get him lynched, which is why I waited so long to vote him. Only when it was pretty certain he was full of shit did I move my vote that way, because he was lying.

If I had fully claimed, I'd have been lynched immediately. A Town JOAT who can steal a vote, redirect someone, and roleblock someone sounds susaf.

Curtis @ 6/6/2017 13:54

Who is them DS is one of yours

No, DS is yours now. We traded him for Buffy and Nofo, with Nofo being our mafia champion.