If it was just Stephen and Zach that were up for lynch on D5, then I'd be screaming at you all to lynch Stephen (more than I already am), because if he flips mafia it could be telling about that lynch, possibly.

Timmah @ 30/5/2017 22:32

If it was just Stephen and Zach that were up for lynch on D5, then I'd be screaming at you all to lynch Stephen (more than I already am), because if he flips mafia it could be telling about that lynch, possibly.

Should've added - but, town nofo was also there to be lynched.

Timmah @ 30/5/2017 20:32

Timmah @ 30/5/2017 22:32 If it was just Stephen and Zach that were up for lynch on D5, then I'd be screaming at you all to lynch Stephen (more than I already am), because if he flips mafia it could be telling about that lynch, possibly. Should've added - but, town nofo was also there to be lynched.

Mafia Nofo?

Yeah, I don't think Angi is mafia. Leaning town over third party too just based on the role, but perhaps the D1 spin lynch ruined her ability for them to work together as a team using her items.

Mercator @ 30/5/2017 22:33

Timmah @ 30/5/2017 20:32 Timmah @ 30/5/2017 22:32 If it was just Stephen and Zach that were up for lynch on D5, then I'd be screaming at you all to lynch Stephen (more than I already am), because if he flips mafia it could be telling about that lynch, possibly. Should've added - but, town nofo was also there to be lynched. Mafia Nofo?

Wait, Nofo WAS MAFIA, wasn't he?! Shit on me then.

Um, yeah, let's lynch Stephen...

BadgerMcBeaver @ 30/5/2017 20:24

So here's something interesting I noticed. The only real evidence behind Miko's claim comes from a day when the mafia tracker was still alive. He hinted at having more information but that he was waiting, but he has yet to tell us. He's moving down into my potential scum category until I hear more from him about the supposed information he received.

Sounds likely, getting him to talk about it is harder than removing teeth from him.

Why Stephen? Cause zach voted for him over nofo?

Timmah @ 30/5/2017 23:28

BadgerMcBeaver @ 30/5/2017 21:57 My issue with the Stephen is scum argument is that THIS was the post that people jumped on: Quote Okay, I'm going to go back to what I was originally doing and ##lynch Zachary It came down to just some skips in logic that I cannot make sense of. If killing the princess would have sent the game immediately into another night phase, Zachary should have claimed this after DS was killed since the likelihood of a strongman/etc role being used was high. Angi brought light to this and that makes complete sense to me. I don't get why Angi is lynching Maddie when she basically said that Zachary should have claimed, not claiming it seems more like something mafia would do. Idk. Also looking the role up, it's usually only a lynch that will send the game into two nights -- not a killing. The killing just doesn't make sense as a condition on the role. Zach WAS the right call that day. And TBH I had similar concerns about Angi going into the next day. People thought that this was his attempt to save Maddie and lynch Zach. They were correct. Why is this a bad thing? That's not what set off my radar on Stephen, fwiw. I've said it a bunch, but he came across as mafia to me that entire day by actively trying to paint the announcement that Zach was scum as a chaos team action, and only after I started calling him out on it did he reverse course and decide that lynching Zach would be okay. Or at least that's how I remember it.

I mean if anyone has really tried to throw shad on the announcements, it's Merc, not Zach.

I think the thing people are forgetting is that Stephen is new here. He tried to come forward with reads and people jumped down his throat for it (even if it wasn't you). FE can come off as hostile to new players sometimes. I also think he's been trying hard to hit scum, and his voting record is pretty good. Most importantly, the logic he's been posting solid.

And this is a very small thing, but one thing I noticed is that Stephen immediately disliked Zach's role flip before anyone else did, which made me feel like he was fooled and didn't see the spoiler. I noticed this because I accidentally left my tab open to the next day, and no one else other than Zach had liked/disliked (by about 5 min after the flip). I know this is kinda dumb to take into account (kinda reminds me of the Active User list bs), but it wasn't intentional and has stuck out in my memory a bit. And this small thing, combined with the fact that he's brand new, made me more open to the possibility that he's town than most people apparently.

I feel like there are a few people we should be looking at before him.

Timmah @ 30/5/2017 20:35

Mercator @ 30/5/2017 22:33 Timmah @ 30/5/2017 20:32 Timmah @ 30/5/2017 22:32 If it was just Stephen and Zach that were up for lynch on D5, then I'd be screaming at you all to lynch Stephen (more than I already am), because if he flips mafia it could be telling about that lynch, possibly. Should've added - but, town nofo was also there to be lynched. Mafia Nofo? Wait, Nofo WAS MAFIA, wasn't he?! Shit on me then. Um, yeah, let's lynch Stephen...

Wut, why?

We lynched Nofo because Zach lynched Stephen over tying for a no lynch on Nofo?

thisisbad @ 30/5/2017 22:36

Why Stephen? Cause zach voted for him over nofo?

Cause I want to see if I've been right all this time!

Timmah @ 30/5/2017 20:38

thisisbad @ 30/5/2017 22:36 Why Stephen? Cause zach voted for him over nofo? Cause I want to see if I've been right all this time!

We did that for me yesterday and look how it worked out!

If I'm wrong about Stephen fine. But he was lynching zach over maddie. And zach lynched him instead of nofo(of course) or Brian, who also had 1 vote.

I just don't see him as mafia

Timmah who else would be your choices if not for Stephen?

If Stephen is town, then the GF is one of Miko, Kiwi and Merc imo (with an outside shot at it being Brian). In addition our third party very likely comes from my second group - TIB, Badger, vlady, Angi, miko.

If there is a SK, third party could still be in the "inno scans" group.

thisisbad @ 30/5/2017 23:40

If I'm wrong about Stephen fine. But he was lynching zach over maddie. And zach lynched him instead of nofo(of course) or Brian, who also had 1 vote. I just don't see him as mafia

He was also on Spin's train. Mafia might sell out mafia because they are a large group. I have a hard time seeing a third party newb selling out his other member.