I was pretty much decided in the F3, I was going to vote for Timmah if he didn't take Lamps and for Lamps if he didn't take timmah. Props to doing what's best for you game and not being a pussy. And actually putting some thoughts into your answers. You're a bullshitter but at least you know who's the best.

so Schrauben doesn't want my vote?

Daniel @ 21/9/2015 5:34

Christian @ 21/9/2015 2:16 Well, I like the final 6 or 7 or whatever was all newbs to ibby. Also, one from House A and one from House B. I suppose if I wanted to, I could stick with my original housemate, Schrauben. But Igor brings up a good point. He wanted out of the game. He got that. He was brought back in to be used a tool to advance other players. Not really sure how much of that was his choice. So do I see a deserving winner? I don't know. I don't know much of Lamps' game either. So since I was evicted a long time ago, I don't remember who was in charge, who was voting, etc., I want to know from each of you, why I left over Buffy. Also, in one or two sentences, tell my why you should get my vote over your opponent? And also, I probably won't be reading opening statements or your answers to other jurors' questions. :P So if you want me to see something, say it in reply to this post. I actively campaigned to save Buffy over you, and here's why: - Buffy had two compelling reasons for keeping her safe. -- One was she said she didn't go by houses, which was proven the week before when she nominated Leos over Dylan. That was a thing I liked, because she could be a good person to have a side-deal with for our alliance. At least she wasn't someone completely against us. You weren't either, but Buffy actually proved it the round before. -- The other was she gave her point points to Badger. Natalie getting 22 points was very scary, and it seemed like there was a huge block trying to save her. Since Buffy gave her points to Badger, and you gave yours to Natalie, Buffy was one person that was not part of that block if it existed. I myself also gave my points to Badger, so we had something in common there too which was nice. It wasn't my initial thought to boot you over Buffy, but for the above reasons I changed my mind. The whole idea of this block trying to save Natalie made me (and Dylan) think the vote would have been MUCH closer than it actually was. Such a close vote with Buffy being safe, could have brought her to our side. This part of the plan obviously failed, because you left by a landslide. I should get your vote, because I played the better game from start to end. I actually campaigned to keep myself safe and had the right social connections to further myself in the game, even when targeted.

Luck really wasn't on my side. I never got lucky enough for an hoh win to "prove" where I stood with you and certain other people. I did actually trust you, and I don't think I ever lied to anyone about anything. I said I'd vote out Natalie and I did. I just never mentioned I was going to try to rally the votes to bring her back the following week. haha I completely understand your decision though. I was a bigger threat than Buffy. ;)

Nobert @ 21/9/2015 17:40

Hey guys a lot of what I read brought insight to your gameplay Daniel, I know we both didn't talk much, about two pages worth of PM's and it was very light hearted. I didn't get to truly know your game play except from what I heard from others so if I could get a brief summary (like 2 to 3 sentences on what you did each round.

Sure! Hope this helps:

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Week 1 - I came in planning to be kind of laid back. Went to HOH NoFo to offer him a deal to keep him safe if he kept me safe, which he took. I also talked to Dylan, and to Badger (wanted to keep him, but he ended up being evicted). Week 2 - Went to HOH Herm to offer him a deal and he took it too - we kept talking after that. Week 3 - Went to Moose, who I voted against in week 1, with a deal... that didn't end well, and I went up. But then Herm pulled me into the alliance with Dylan and Timmah. I approached Tony for another vote, and he suggested we'd work together which I gladly accepted. Week 4 - Became houseless, did nothing. Week 5 - House swap and I won HOH, you and Natalie were my noms since I felt like Christian was more open about where he stood, and Igor and Tony had talked to me before. You won veto, and I had to make a tough decision. Christian was so open, and I wasn't really sure where Igor stood game-wise, plus he was very social so I assumed he had a good chance of staying - so Igor went up and Natalie went home. Week 6 - Merge, Schrauben returned and won HOH. I immediately went to him with a deal that I'd keep him safe, which didn't even seem necessary since he was good with Timmah and Dylan who had spent some points on Schrauben. With Buffy and Christian as final noms, Buffy was the initial target, but Dylan and I planned to change that as a result of Buffy's campaign (see Christian's question). Week 7 - Dylan won HOH, so I was good. You and Zersch were final noms and neither of you campaigned to me. My alliance seemed very indifferent, but I felt there was a slight preference for Zersch leaving so went with that. Week 8 - Igor's HOH, covered most of that in my answer to Dylan. TLDR: offered to keep Igor safe in return, voted to keep my final 2 ally Dylan. Week 9 - Tony won HOH, kind of expected to be safe but still sent him a PM. He didn't discuss noms with anyone that I know of. Tried to figure out (with Timmah and Schrauben) who brought up the rumors about Schrauben/Timmah/Dylan being in an alliance based on "online users". Week 10 - Igor's 2nd HOH, and this time I went up, with Herm. Schrauben and Timmah told me I was safe and I sent Tony, making sure I would be safe. I tried to get you to use veto on me too, felt like I had to give that a shot even though it was a long shot :p Week 11 - The point point thing, covered most of that in answer to Igor's question. When Timmah won veto, he told me he wanted to use it on me, but that he would like me to vote you out. You went up, and I did what Timmah asked me. When Schrauben seemed open to tying it, I did do a late attempt to convince Timmah that it should be Igor going, but that was too late and didn't work. Week 12 - Timmah's HOH. He told me I was safe, but that Schrauben would go up. I was initially very confused, and still think it was a bit of a risk for the alliance. Used veto on Schrauben and asked him to vote Igor out. I considered using it on Tony under the same terms and told Tony what I was up to. Week 13 - I won HOH, but did nothing because once I saw the thread, Tony was already evicted. Week 14 - I won final HOH and took Schrauben.

Daniel @ 21/9/2015 16:14

You were definitely a core member of the alliance, and an initiator too. However, after Schrauben entered, things just seemed to change and I'm not exactly sure how that happened - but it happened. Like, Schrauben and Timmah discussed all votes with me extensively in PM, while it was hard to get a straight answer from you in for example the Christian/Buffy vote. Then paranoia kind of set in (also because of the Natalie thing and not being sure where the Badger votes came from) and I wasn't really sure where you stood anymore. I don't even know, was Schrauben unaware of you being part of it? I remember that being the plan, but from that time it was almost like you were actually left out of it :/

Yeah, I've been starting to get the feeling that I was actually replaced by Schrauben once he returned to the game. Even though I thought you guys were still in my alliance, I heard some rumors that people didn't really trust much of what I had to say. I wanted Buffy to stay during the Christian/Buffy vote so at the time I was going to vote out Buffy because she didn't have the votes to stay. Then things changed and I could easily save Buffy because that's what my alliance wanted as well. I knew both of them would have my back if they stayed so it only benefited me.

Lamps

After Dylan left, I really saw the core of that (or you could call it a new one) alliance as Schrauben/Timmah/myself since we were discussing a LOT of things between the three of us and you were left out. We are also to blame for that I think, so I'm not blaming you. It definitely hurt your game though which is unfortunate. I think it may have been miscommunication.

Yeah, it was definitely miscommunication. That seems to be a thing people have with me, they seems to think I'm lying to them for some reason.

I was just surprised by your opening statements that it seemed like I was never really with you guys so I had to just ask about it. The reason I gave so many points to you is because Igor betrayed me and Timmah told me he was gonna vote me out over you and wasn't interested in having a discussion about it lol. Oh, Jeff and Tony got some points from me as well.

Well, I had no idea Igor talked as much as he did with the rest of you. I never made an alliance with him tho. :)

We should have man!! If you ever told me fuck lamps/timmah I would have never put you up :P I wish I knew more where you stood but I thought you were glued to lamps.

Anyway, I was not anywhere near offended that I was voted out. If only I had won a couple of more HOH's then things could've worked out differently.

Igor @ 21/9/2015 19:44

We should have man!! If you ever told me fuck lamps/timmah I would have never put you up :P I wish I knew more where you stood but I thought you were glued to lamps.

After Buffy left, I was loyal to Timmah, you and Lamps the most so in a way I was glued to him lol.

Igor @ 20/9/2015 23:39

I wish wish washy because it benefited me. If you somehow swung the votes and I told you I was voting you out...bad news bears for me. I'd be stupid not to lie. I barely pulled the votes together. You had your hand in a lot of cookie jars and made a lot of deals (and broke one with nobert) so I don't feel like I was too in the wrong. Ultimately it was a game move and not meant to be a middle finger to you or anything.

ahhh ha! I always knew you did finally get into the scrum on that one and convinced Jeff to keep me! Preesh

Daniel @ 20/9/2015 17:18

Timmah @ 21/9/2015 0:04 Question time! I need both of you to tell me something of consequence that happened in the game that you think I don't already know. Kthx The reason I voted you out was not completely what I said it was. The main reason was that I had a Final 2 deal with Dylan, and I was never going to vote him out. I still couldn't actively campaign against you though, and without that Final 2 deal in place, I still may have done the same (hard to tell). So it is not THAT significant. It could have become very significant later on though in theory, and I think it's something that was not really known until now.

Yeah, I understood when that all went down that you had Dylan's back. It didn't really bother me, but it did end up sliding you down a notch as schrauben and I made final 2 deals based on that same vote. I think this was the vote that cemented Herm's place on the outside looking in too. You told me straight up you were voting with Dylan. Herm flipped on me it seemed, and that is when we realized he was working with JJ.

Sorry I've been swamped at work and will do my best to answer each questions tonight. christian, I sure do want your vote, just haven't had a chance to respond, same as a couple of others that have posted.

Christian @ 21/9/2015 13:06

Daniel @ 21/9/2015 5:34 Christian @ 21/9/2015 2:16 Well, I like the final 6 or 7 or whatever was all newbs to ibby. Also, one from House A and one from House B. I suppose if I wanted to, I could stick with my original housemate, Schrauben. But Igor brings up a good point. He wanted out of the game. He got that. He was brought back in to be used a tool to advance other players. Not really sure how much of that was his choice. So do I see a deserving winner? I don't know. I don't know much of Lamps' game either. So since I was evicted a long time ago, I don't remember who was in charge, who was voting, etc., I want to know from each of you, why I left over Buffy. Also, in one or two sentences, tell my why you should get my vote over your opponent? And also, I probably won't be reading opening statements or your answers to other jurors' questions. :P So if you want me to see something, say it in reply to this post. I actively campaigned to save Buffy over you, and here's why: - Buffy had two compelling reasons for keeping her safe. -- One was she said she didn't go by houses, which was proven the week before when she nominated Leos over Dylan. That was a thing I liked, because she could be a good person to have a side-deal with for our alliance. At least she wasn't someone completely against us. You weren't either, but Buffy actually proved it the round before. -- The other was she gave her point points to Badger. Natalie getting 22 points was very scary, and it seemed like there was a huge block trying to save her. Since Buffy gave her points to Badger, and you gave yours to Natalie, Buffy was one person that was not part of that block if it existed. I myself also gave my points to Badger, so we had something in common there too which was nice. It wasn't my initial thought to boot you over Buffy, but for the above reasons I changed my mind. The whole idea of this block trying to save Natalie made me (and Dylan) think the vote would have been MUCH closer than it actually was. Such a close vote with Buffy being safe, could have brought her to our side. This part of the plan obviously failed, because you left by a landslide. I should get your vote, because I played the better game from start to end. I actually campaigned to keep myself safe and had the right social connections to further myself in the game, even when targeted. Luck really wasn't on my side. I never got lucky enough for an hoh win to "prove" where I stood with you and certain other people. I did actually trust you, and I don't think I ever lied to anyone about anything. I said I'd vote out Natalie and I did. I just never mentioned I was going to try to rally the votes to bring her back the following week. haha I completely understand your decision though. I was a bigger threat than Buffy. ;)

Christian you're as much of a little bitch on this game as you were the last. I was going over you but I talked and talked to convince these guys to keep me . Mostly Dylan and lamps.

My only regret in this game is that I couldn't vote you off myself - again. :p

JJ, one of these days you have to learn me what you need to say to actually have people want you to stay lol.

Snyaway. I think both of you did well to get as far as you did. Schrauben, I expect to see you post your thoughts once you're done at work. Good luck to both of you. Thanks for the explanations tjus far.