Justin @ 29/1/2015 12:19

I think the more egregious part of this casting is that they cast Michael B. Jordan first, and instead of casting a black female Sue Storm, they threw in a white girl and said she was adopted.

I agree with this. It does seem a bit like half assing it.

I don't really think it's so much of a double standard to want more non-white representation in these types of movies... which are usually teeming with white representation because of the time in which they were written all fictional characters were either white or a stereotype.

It's not a double standard to want non-white representation. The double standard comes from the acceptance of casting a white character with a black actor and being okay with that but crying out great injustice at say, that ridley scott Exodus movie. It's just another one of those SJW things that make being white a problem. And every day we're getting more diverse comic characters. The latest Power Girl in DC is black. The latest Ms. Marvel is Middle Eastern. And in indie comics like Saga, that shit is not only filled with diversity, but all sorts of diverse romantic couples. This is just fake diversity. It's the studio saying "We need a black guy" and not an authentic re-imagining alternate universe type thing like with Black Nick Fury. The casting just seems disingenuine.

The director has worked with Michael B. Jordan in the past, in which he played a character very similar to Johnny, and a stipulation to him signing on was that MBJ come with him. He was the first to be cast for that reason alone. Take things with context, he wasn't casted as a token.

Just because there are idiots who cry racism at everything doesn't discount the notion that racism exists in the movie industry.

Malion @ 29/1/2015 11:24

Justin @ 29/1/2015 12:19 I think the more egregious part of this casting is that they cast Michael B. Jordan first, and instead of casting a black female Sue Storm, they threw in a white girl and said she was adopted. I agree with this. It does seem a bit like half assing it. I don't really think it's so much of a double standard to want more non-white representation in these types of movies... which are usually teeming with white representation because of the time in which they were written all fictional characters were either white or a stereotype.

I agree. You want an authentic FF experience? Have it set in the 1950's. Otherwise shit's gonna change.

The problem is with the lack of diversity. That there are very limited options for non-white characters that it is particularly stinging to take those few options and just repurpose them for a white character. Whereas on the flip side there are a lot of white characters to the point where reworking a few of them wouldn't be nearly as damaging as the inverse.

I don't think that's fake diversity at all. I think it's just being more socially conscious and fair. And making nick fury a black guy is literally the same thing. The only difference is they had made nick fury a black guy in the ultimate universe... which was something that happened long after the character already existed and even had a movie... there was a Nick Fury movie starring David Hasslehoff.

Could they make the human torch a black guy in the comics too? Actually probably not Marvel doesn't even want anything to do with the fantastic four as long as fox has the rights and canceled all their comic series as to not promote the movie.

Malion @ 29/1/2015 12:55

The problem is with the lack of diversity. That there are very limited options for non-white characters that it is particularly stinging to take those few options and just repurpose them for a white character. Whereas on the flip side there are a lot of white characters to the point where reworking a few of them wouldn't be nearly as damaging as the inverse.

The point isn't to change a characters race. It's to create new characters who are diverse. And just because a director has worked with an actor before doesn't make the diversity any less shoehorned in. And really, his acting ability isn't in question either. When you try to force this stuff in it makes the entire product suffer.

Leos @ 29/1/2015 13:09

Malion @ 29/1/2015 12:55 The problem is with the lack of diversity. That there are very limited options for non-white characters that it is particularly stinging to take those few options and just repurpose them for a white character. Whereas on the flip side there are a lot of white characters to the point where reworking a few of them wouldn't be nearly as damaging as the inverse. The point isn't to change a characters race. It's to create new characters who are diverse. And just because a director has worked with an actor before doesn't make the diversity any less shoehorned in. And really, his acting ability isn't in question either. When you try to force this stuff in it makes the entire product suffer.

I think renaming or replacing the character with some stand-in as to not sully the name of the popular white character would make it more shoehorned really.

I really don't even think it is forced I think the fact that he was casted first and everyone else after makes it the most natural of the cast... the white sue storm sister on the other hand certainly feels forced.

Why does adding diversity make it shoehorned? Why would you even find "shoehorning" annoying? If it led to a less talented actor, sure, but in this case it clearly hasn't.

Justin @ 29/1/2015 11:47

Just because there are idiots who cry racism at everything

i've only cried racism at you shadow. and are you calling me BLACK?

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tbh I dunno why I care. There are a million reasons why I think this movie will be shit and none of it has to do with casting

I agree with whoever said it's only bad to change a character's race if their race is a DEFINING characteristic of that character. I don't think Johnny Storm being white is defining at all, that's just how he's drawn. I can see why fans of the comics would be upset (though I don't get why this would be an OUTRAGE!!!) but characters undergo changes from book to screen all the time, it's just that with comics it's more noticeable

with that said, this movie looks very meh. Though I liked Chronicle so I'll give it chanc

It's defining when you don't make two siblings related anymore. I don't see the huge social justice warrior issue though

I'd me much more content if they went with one was born black and another white but they are going with the adoption route