Lamps @ 13/1/2015 14:01

Just checked most of the discarded roles (couldn't find deputy), and all of the town roles seem pretty shitty except maybe the jailkeeper. I don't think hero/kingmaker are all that great (not sure who said so). Kingmaker is kinda cool, but if it's one-shot then meh.

You mean you couldn't find deputy in the link? Did you find the ones I can't find??

Angi @ 13/1/2015 19:59

Thanks for the link JJ, can't find commuter and tourist though, can anyone tell me what those mean please.

Tourist compulsively targets someone every night with no effect.
Commuter can like hide 1 night and be safe from all actions.

Angi @ 13/1/2015 14:00

JJ @ 13/1/2015 13:56 Angi @ 13/1/2015 13:45 Interesting to see why someone would give up a cop role. Wonder what kind of role they kept ;) That was a really weird thing to say. The only cop role I see was discarded was the town lover cop role, unless you're referring to something else? Who would keep a lover role? Not sure why it's a weird thing to say. Why wouldn't someone keep a cop role, lover or not? Better than someone saying that those who gave up Vanilla must have chosen mafia lol

Because it says in the role that they would die when all other lovers die. I would never want that role.

I was reading the list, there were no descriptions posted with the list. I just got the link you posted a bit ago.

Thanks Lamps, what about Gladiator?

Vic @ 13/1/2015 14:28

I don't even know most of these roles. The one I discarded I had never heard of before. Something to think about though: would the people that discarded a scum role (whether it be mafia or third party) only have the option to pick some other third party or mafia role? The reason I ask this is because it not, it could really mess up the balance if not. Like, if all of the people that discarded a mafia role picked a town role, would that mean we have very little scum to deal with? I'm not sure KC would do this because it might be predictable, but I don't see how the balance could be there if this were the case.

It wouldn't affect the balance at all, because all the roles are listed anyway. It's not like learning what the roles do will make any difference to the game, they all seem to be typical mafia roles that you can look up in a wiki.

There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose to discard a role. A powerful role is not always "fun" if it means more responsibility/pressure. I think to read anything concrete into that at this point on would be silly.

I don't think there's any Lovers in this game lol.

Angi @ 13/1/2015 13:59

Thanks for the link JJ, can't find commuter and tourist though, can anyone tell me what those mean please.

Commuter can leave at night and all actions used against them will fail.
Tourist - Compulsively targets someone every night. No effect

Tbh I don't think seeing which roles were discarded will be much help at all since there are so many potentials which never even got picked for the PMs. We can eliminate a few roles from the game but there's bound to be a ton of crazy shit going on all the same.

It said in my Town Lover role (that I discarded) that if no one else is Lover but me, then I'd become Vanilla. I think this could be the case with other roles. I assume if Greenday would've kept his Lover Cop role then the lover part would've become insignificant as well I suppose.

PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:12

Vic @ 13/1/2015 14:28 I don't even know most of these roles. The one I discarded I had never heard of before. Something to think about though: would the people that discarded a scum role (whether it be mafia or third party) only have the option to pick some other third party or mafia role? The reason I ask this is because it not, it could really mess up the balance if not. Like, if all of the people that discarded a mafia role picked a town role, would that mean we have very little scum to deal with? I'm not sure KC would do this because it might be predictable, but I don't see how the balance could be there if this were the case. It wouldn't affect the balance at all, because all the roles are listed anyway. It's not like learning what the roles do will make any difference to the game, they all seem to be typical mafia roles that you can look up in a wiki. There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose to discard a role. A powerful role is not always "fun" if it means more responsibility/pressure. I think to read anything concrete into that at this point on would be silly.

Speaking of responsibility, I kind of find Trick's decision douchy to discard Enabler...

PORL @ 13/1/2015 20:14

Tbh I don't think seeing which roles were discarded will be much help at all since there are so many potentials which never even got picked for the PMs. We can eliminate a few roles from the game but there's bound to be a ton of crazy shit going on all the same.

I think the discarded roles is something that we'll only look into Day 1, once we've had our first night there's most likely gonna be more solid evidence to go by.

I think this is correct:

REMAINING ROLES

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Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Vanilla Townie Watcher Tracker Tracker Cop Seer Seer FBI Agent Doctor Doctor Roleblocker Bodyguard Vigilante One-shot Vigilante One-shot Dayvig One-shot Dayvig Compulsive Childkiller Bulletproof Townie Supersaint One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner Mason Mason Mason Mason Mason Doctor Mason Lover Lover Jack-of-all-trades Vengeful Townie Retired Werewolf Hunter Retired Marine Miller Hirsute Townie Evangelistic Townie Tentacled Townie Black Goo Private Investigator Gravedigger Nymphomaniac One-shot Unlynchable Townie Town Godfather Hider Treestump Conspiracy Theorist Conspiracy Theorist Weak Jailkeeper Bloodhound Vanilla Cop Cop-of-all-Trades Lynchbait Psychiatrist Judas Saulus Underdog Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Godfather Mafia Roleblocker Mafia Lover Mafia Seer Mafia One-shot Dayvig Mafia One-shot Governor Mafia Strongman Mafia Reflexive Doctor Mafia Cupid Alpha Goon Mafia Compulsive Hider Werewolf Werewolf Werewolf Alpha Werewolf Werewolf Roleblocker Werewolf Cop Werewolf Mason Werewolf Watcher Werewolf FBI Agent Ninja Werewolf Werewolf One-shot PGO Werewolf Miller Werewolf Godfather Werewolf Gravedigger Alien One-shot Unlynchable Alien Prober Alien Vanillaiser Alien Silencer Bulletproof Alien Lover Alien Psychotrooper Alien Sympathiser Survivor Survivor Mason Lyncher Lyncher Serial Killer Serial Killer Serial Killer Serial Killer One-shot Cult Recruiter Cult One-shot Goomaker

It's basically chaos and there could be any number of balance issues at play. SHOULD BE FUN.

Enabler is only good for something if the enabled role exists in the game, which based on the list I just posted, it may not.

And there are still great things to discuss on Day 1 friends! The key is solid activity even if people don't have a lot to say.

Kru @ 13/1/2015 14:21

PORL @ 13/1/2015 21:12 Vic @ 13/1/2015 14:28 I don't even know most of these roles. The one I discarded I had never heard of before. Something to think about though: would the people that discarded a scum role (whether it be mafia or third party) only have the option to pick some other third party or mafia role? The reason I ask this is because it not, it could really mess up the balance if not. Like, if all of the people that discarded a mafia role picked a town role, would that mean we have very little scum to deal with? I'm not sure KC would do this because it might be predictable, but I don't see how the balance could be there if this were the case. It wouldn't affect the balance at all, because all the roles are listed anyway. It's not like learning what the roles do will make any difference to the game, they all seem to be typical mafia roles that you can look up in a wiki. There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose to discard a role. A powerful role is not always "fun" if it means more responsibility/pressure. I think to read anything concrete into that at this point on would be silly. Speaking of responsibility, I kind of find Trick's decision douchy to discard Enabler...

Why? Having that role means if Tricks is killed, whatever role he was enabling is disabled. I think enabler is a town hampering role.