vladykins @ 29/3/2017 15:00

I guess I include chronic issues under my "catastrophic" category (which is why i made sure cancer went in there). If there is an issue and they can't identify it, then they haven't "completed" a visit in essence. ;)

Or do they get labeled a "hypochondriac" because the docs can't figure it out?

Primate @ 30/3/2017 8:06

vladykins @ 29/3/2017 15:00 I guess I include chronic issues under my "catastrophic" category (which is why i made sure cancer went in there). If there is an issue and they can't identify it, then they haven't "completed" a visit in essence. ;) Or do they get labeled a "hypochondriac" because the docs can't figure it out?

I ask because this actually happened to my wife. A simple gall bladder thing netted us 2 ER visits, several doc visits where a doc told her there was nothing wrong with her, and a gall bladder near rupturing by the time they finally did something besides guess. She was nearly convinced it was all in her head by the time they figured it out.

I think that there was definite collusion between Russia and Trump's team. I went on a huge news binge this morning and fell down some rabbit holes but I think this is all worth talking about considering. The Trump Dosier is currently the focus.

First of all the what:

The Trump Dosier was written by Christopher Steele (I'll get into the who later). For simplicity sake for now I will just say he is a former British MI6 agent. For questions regarding credibility please visit the Who section.

If you want to read more I'd recommend reading the whole wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

The Dossier is a 35 page document alleging that:

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The document alleges that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) has kompromat on Trump – damaging or embarrassing material which could be used to blackmail him, including allegations about Trump's sexual and financial activities in Russia. The dossier also states that the Russian government promoted Trump's candidacy to create divisions in Western alliances, and that during his presidential campaign there was exchange of information between Russian sources and people associated with Trump's campaign.

Who:

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Steele was recruited by the MI6 directly following his graduation from Cambridge, working in London at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office from 1987 to 1989.[1] From 1990 to 1992, Steele worked under diplomatic cover as an MI6 agent in Moscow, serving at the Embassy of the United Kingdom in Moscow.[9] Steele's identity as an MI6 officer was one of 115 names Her Majesty's Government attempted to suppress through a DSMA-Notice in 1999.[10][11] Steele reportedly later served as head of MI6's Russia desk.[12] He returned to London in 1993, working again at the FCO until his posting to Paris in 1998, where he served under diplomatic cover until 2002.[9][13][14][15] In 2003, Steele was sent to Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan as part of an MI6 team, briefing Special Forces on "kill or capture" missions for Taliban targets, and also spent time teaching new MI6 recruits.[9] Steele's expertise on Russia remained valued, and he served as a senior officer under John Scarlett, Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), from 2004 to 2009.[12] Steele was selected as case officer for Alexander Litvinenko and participated in the investigation of the Litvinenko poisoning in 2006.[9] It was Steele who quickly realised that Litvinenko's death "was a Russian state 'hit'".

I will be using mostly wikipedia, BBC, and AP (associated press) as sources. Wikipedia cites sources as well, if anything I say you think is untrue please chime in. The current criticism of him have been weak, mostly focused on him mispelling a recent spy's name (I believe this story broke early this morning/last night)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

There is an AP link as well but I'm lazy.

This guy isn't just some shmuck that decided to do this for the publicity. He does work for a prviate intelligence company in the London. that he founded. He started his work on Trump originally for Republicans that opposed him, then moved onto Democrats, and then he worked pro bono (this is all for transparency sake). Many intelligence officially have vouced for him, he worked at fucking MI6. He and his family had to go into hiding. What incentive does this man have to make this up? He's highly respected in his field and his whole job/career would be destroyed if he was making shit up.

tl;dr We should be taking this document very seriously and making sure that a full a thorough investigation takes place. I truly believe James Comey is a patriot, and is doing the best he can with this shitty situation. He may not have handled things perfectly well (especially with clinton & the emails) but I truly believe he is acting in the best interest of the country currently until he shows otherwise. Anyone that tries to block/derail/delay the Russia investigation should be highly scrutinized. I think it is in the best interest of the entire country to have this investigation.

Igor @ 30/3/2017 14:26

i just skip the post if there are too many words

I knew some wiseass was going to use that against me!!

:curtis:

This a lot of information and text to digest, but thanks for posting it. I'm glad you posted a summary of this dossier though.

Dossier Quote

The document alleges that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) has kompromat on Trump – damaging or embarrassing material which could be used to blackmail him, including allegations about Trump's sexual and financial activities in Russia.

This seems pretty accurate to me, but I'm on the fence about the sexual activities. The sexual allegation was extremely bizarre and hard to believe from what I remember, but he's definitely had financial dealings with businesses in Russia. That seems extremely believable to me and hard to dispute, same thing regarding to some of his cabinet picks.

Dossier Quote

The dossier also states that the Russian government promoted Trump's candidacy to create divisions in Western alliances, and that during his presidential campaign there was exchange of information between Russian sources and people associated with Trump's campaign.

This also seems pretty accurate to me. His campaign was also filled with people working with Russia for one reason or another. Seems pretty sus so it's a good thing they're doing some investigation into that.

I don't think Russia hacked the voting booths and gave Trump the victory, I think he legitimately won over her. I'm also not sure what Russia's intentions here are, and I'm also not sure if Trump's business dealings in Russia has correlation with Putin and the government.

Either way, dossier thing seems pretty legitimate at least.

Primate @ 30/3/2017 9:06

vladykins @ 29/3/2017 15:00 I guess I include chronic issues under my "catastrophic" category (which is why i made sure cancer went in there). If there is an issue and they can't identify it, then they haven't "completed" a visit in essence. ;) Or do they get labeled a "hypochondriac" because the docs can't figure it out?

In my mind, a visit isn't a discrete event but doesn't end until "completed". So if you go to a doctor and you need a specialist to look at something, that would be part of the "visit" and not be two doctor "visits".

This is all good stuff to work out, though.

100% agree that he won legitimately. I think Russia performed a huge misinformation campaign via twitter/reddit/facebook/polls. There is a lot of evidence that pretty much confirms it.

Igor @ 30/3/2017 15:32

100% agree that he won legitimately. I think Russia performed a huge misinformation campaign via twitter/reddit/facebook/polls. There is a lot of evidence that pretty much confirms it.

There is no doubt that they did so in several countries. Trying to tie trump to it is wishful thinking on a WashPost level, imo. I could see him having some shady business deals over there, though.

I haven't read the entire dossier, and hate everything trump has done so far, but the fact that this guy was hired to gather information to support a predetermined position has the skeptic in me thinking his "results" are likely pretty tainted. I would welcome an investigation into the business dealings of every profiteering POS in DC. If we start with Trump and his cronies, I'm Ok with that, but it doesn't need to end there.

100% financial transparency for all of them is one of the few things that could truly help fix our clusterfuck of a government.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959

Flynn offers to testiny in exchange for immunity
No takers yet
Trump is so fucked. If FBI accepts it's almost 100% that he's done.
I wouldn't be surprised if they got other people to turn on him by now though.

this thread is too much for me

"Michael Flynn Failed to Disclose Payments From Russian Propaganda Network: 'In addition to RT, Flynn’s amended disclosure statement reveals payments for speeches to two Russian companies, Kaspersky and Volga Dnepr Airlines. Neither of those payments was disclosed in Flynn’s initial ethics filing.

After leaving the White House, Flynn disclosed to the Justice Department that he had lobbied on behalf of a company with Turkish government ties last year, and that that work might have advanced that government’s geopolitical interests."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/02/preacher-women-s-march-was-witchcraft.html

I hate the daily beast but this guy is uber scum.
He literally got paid to speak at a Russian Propaganda TV Network...this is essentially a bribe.

They kinda just threw that turkey thing in there but that's super fucked if there are actually financial ties to Turkey. Erdogan's human rights violations have been disgusting.

God I love the Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/article/mike-pence-asks-waiter-remove-mrs-butterworth-tabl-55661

Here's a New Yorker article with background on this http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/10/virtue-and-vice-mike-pences-dining-policy