vladykins @ 7/1/2018 6:58

Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Do you give someone a high five or a high four and some thumb?

High five doesn't stand for high five fingers, it stands for the number of digits!

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 7:00

Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe.

The big toe is still a toe, no one is arguing that it's a foot thumb Vlady!

Primate @ 7/1/2018 11:38

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 9:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. Five of what is never determined. "Nobody says give me five fingers" There are huge structural/design differences between a finger and a thumb. All the angles and mechanics are also different. That's not the case with the big toe. That is to say, any toe could function similarly to a big toe. None of the 4 fingers can be a thumb. Big toe is like a tractor with no pto while all the other tractors have a pto. The thumb is like a skid steer while all the fingers are tractors. An arm and a leg are similar limbs, but they aren't interchangeable due to design differences. A finger and a thumb share the same relationship.

So when a monkey like a chimp has an opposable toe, then it suddenly shouldn't be called a toe anymore?

Our big toe is different structure than the rest of the toes, it just isn't opposable. But it is still a "toe". The chimp toe is similar toe our thumb, yet it is still called a toe. So pretending the thumb is "special" or "different" is silly.

And you still can't argue with Princess Bride.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:22

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 7:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. The big toe is still a toe, no one is arguing that it's a foot thumb Vlady!

Not on a chimp, according to your reasoning.

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:21

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 6:58 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Do you give someone a high five or a high four and some thumb? High five doesn't stand for high five fingers, it stands for the number of digits!

Nobody high fives with their feet and calls it that. Yet those are digits.

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 12:53

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:22 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 7:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. The big toe is still a toe, no one is arguing that it's a foot thumb Vlady! Not on a chimp, according to your reasoning.

We are talking about human anatomy vlady, nice try though

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 12:53

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:21 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 6:58 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Do you give someone a high five or a high four and some thumb? High five doesn't stand for high five fingers, it stands for the number of digits! Nobody high fives with their feet and calls it that. Yet those are digits.

They could if they wanted to

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 14:58

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 12:53 GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:22 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 7:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. The big toe is still a toe, no one is arguing that it's a foot thumb Vlady! Not on a chimp, according to your reasoning. We are talking about human anatomy vlady, nice try though

The poll question does not specify human.

Spin @ 7/1/2018 13:21

GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 14:58 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 12:53 GRANDMASTER DS #18 @ 7/1/2018 15:22 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 7:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. The big toe is still a toe, no one is arguing that it's a foot thumb Vlady! Not on a chimp, according to your reasoning. We are talking about human anatomy vlady, nice try though The poll question does not specify human.

Still no one is talking aBout toes..

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 14:52

Primate @ 7/1/2018 11:38 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 9:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. Five of what is never determined. "Nobody says give me five fingers" There are huge structural/design differences between a finger and a thumb. All the angles and mechanics are also different. That's not the case with the big toe. That is to say, any toe could function similarly to a big toe. None of the 4 fingers can be a thumb. Big toe is like a tractor with no pto while all the other tractors have a pto. The thumb is like a skid steer while all the fingers are tractors. An arm and a leg are similar limbs, but they aren't interchangeable due to design differences. A finger and a thumb share the same relationship. So when a monkey like a chimp has an opposable toe, then it suddenly shouldn't be called a toe anymore? Our big toe is different structure than the rest of the toes, it just isn't opposable. But it is still a "toe". The chimp toe is similar toe our thumb, yet it is still called a toe. So pretending the thumb is "special" or "different" is silly. And you still can't argue with Princess Bride.

Which chimp experts did you consult? Never mind. If you had, they would have told you that chimps have 4 prehensile feet or hands with opposable thumbs.

Gorillas, otoh have an opposable big toe, but it is structurally different from a thumb and has limited use compared to a chimp, as evolution hasn't decided if the big bastards will become bipedal or not.


One thing chimps, gorillas and humans have in common is that all of them have opposable THUMBS, not opposable fingers.

As far as princess bride goes, I'm not sure how you could miss the obvious wifom in the very movie that invented wifom.

A thumb is a digit but not a finger. If you broke your thumb, the doctor would never call it a finger on the chart note.

Primate @ 7/1/2018 16:41

vladykins @ 7/1/2018 14:52 Primate @ 7/1/2018 11:38 vladykins @ 7/1/2018 9:00 Dyl @ 6/1/2018 22:36 Pinky Finger, Middle Finger, Ring Finger, Index Finger Thumb Finger? Idts Also- the pattern follows the same on your foot (one knuckle on big toe versus two on the other toes). Yet it is still a "big toe", not a foot thumb. So if number of knuckles determines a difference, you better stop calling it a toe. Five of what is never determined. "Nobody says give me five fingers" There are huge structural/design differences between a finger and a thumb. All the angles and mechanics are also different. That's not the case with the big toe. That is to say, any toe could function similarly to a big toe. None of the 4 fingers can be a thumb. Big toe is like a tractor with no pto while all the other tractors have a pto. The thumb is like a skid steer while all the fingers are tractors. An arm and a leg are similar limbs, but they aren't interchangeable due to design differences. A finger and a thumb share the same relationship. So when a monkey like a chimp has an opposable toe, then it suddenly shouldn't be called a toe anymore? Our big toe is different structure than the rest of the toes, it just isn't opposable. But it is still a "toe". The chimp toe is similar toe our thumb, yet it is still called a toe. So pretending the thumb is "special" or "different" is silly. And you still can't argue with Princess Bride. Which chimp experts did you consult? Never mind. If you had, they would have told you that chimps have 4 prehensile feet or hands with opposable thumbs. <snip>

See, you got it partially right, because these same scientists with chimps say the "big toe" is smaller and not quite opposable, but then say:

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Gorillas also appear to have inherited our more primitive hand structure. Like human hands, gorilla hands have five fingers, including an opposable thumb. Gorilla feet are similar to ours too. Each gorilla foot has five toes, but their big toe is opposable and can move much more flexibly than ours can.

Damn those scientists.

https://www.seeker.com/human-hands-more-primitive-than-chimp-hands-1770019802.html

I could see call it a finger in a generic sense. Generic phrasing is often technically incorrect. ie:People who drive a diesel car might say they are stopping for gas, or people might refer to a small lag bolt as a screw.

Journalism is not a science, vlady.

THEY DONT SAY 1,2,3,4 I DECLARE A FINGER WAR!