Timmah @ 9/11/2015 17:09

I'll consider all of the options. How about you address what I pointed out as the inconsistency in your big post? You say that you see the evidence say that Wikey is godfather, but you are leaning towards voting me.

None of that was 'evidence', that's trying to look at things from GodfatherWikey's PoV to see if his decisions make sense, and they do sometimes. They do for GodfatherTimmah too, and I mentioned some of that. Something is nagging at me that Wikey is playing smart and is Godfather so I focused on that more because no one else has, but I'm still torn because you could very easily be the Godfather too in my eyes

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(2) your only argument that you are town is that you are too smart to play this way as scum (red herring argument, not based in this game in any way, and literally the very definition of WIFOM),

You missed the point completely. It has nothing to do with how I play or past games. It's just that the Godfather would not be playing how I've played, no matter who it is. I didn't say or imply that I'm too smart to be playing this way as Godfather, I'm saying that my actions don't fit the bill whatsoever, where as yours and Wikey's do

Timmah, for the sake of argument, what reasons can you think of that would make Wikey the Godfather?

I really don't think that most players, as godfather, are going to play a town game throughout. Would a godfather perhaps bus a teammate to gain some cred? Absolutely. Would he/she bus 2 of them when there are only 5 to start with and 1 of those died N1? Maybe, but less likely.

The one really good point that you have made in all of this is that Wikey's buddying up to you, for no reason whatsoever, does throw out some red flags.

Another question I have though: Is there ALWAYS a Godfather in games on here? I have played many where there was not a Godfather. Thinking about the role, there are 2 advantages a GF gets: (1) innocent on investigation and (2) bulletproof (at least usually, I've seen them not be bp).

Let's look at the list of roles:

18. Free Candy - Town Mayor (Lynched Day 1)
22. Badger - Town Bomb (Killed Night 1)
20. Angi - Mafia Untrackable (Killed Night 1)
05. Ahoda - Town Vanilla (Killed Night 2)
09. Primate - Town Vanilla (Lynched Day 3)
23. Chris25 - Town Watcher (Killed Night 3)
02. Brian - Town Doctor (Died Day 4)
01. Ari - Mafia Goon (Lynched Day 4)
06. Rose/dr - Town Sibling (Killed Night 4)
21. Nobert - Town Sibling (Killed Night 4)
19. Buffy - Town Roleblocker (Killed Night 4)
07. Henry - Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades (Killed Day 5)
11. Dylan - Town Tracker (Killed Night 5)
16. Redster - Mafia Roleblocker (Lynched Day 6)
12. JC - Town Vanilla Cop (Killed Night 6)
14. Jayadamo - Town Vanilla (Killed Night 6)
17. Herm - Town Bulletproof (Lynched Day 7)
10. Schrauben - Town Vanilla (Killed Night 7)
15. canuck - Town Gift-Giver (Killed Night 7)

Combine those with the remaining claims - 3 VTs and a town vig. There's not need to have a GF that scans innocent in this game, though the bp part would be more likely. However, the mafia had a JOAT:

You are The Joker --- the Clown Prince of Crime, and cackling prankster, who is always ready to cause some chaos and confusion for the Dynamic Duo and Gotham City.

Your role is…Mafia Jack-of-All-Trades.

Abilities:
Active --- Armed with your own utility belt, each night you may choose one of the following one-shot actions:

Redirect: you may choose to direct all actions performed by a chosen target to any other target instead of the original intended target.

Protect: you may choose to protect someone (including yourself) from any harm coming to them that night.

Track: you may target a player and trail them to learn who they visited that night.

Silence: you may choose to shock someone with your joybuzzer. They will not be able to speak at all the following day, but will still be able to vote.

Win Condition:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

So they already had a built-in protection role with a protect and a redirect. Would they also have a BP role? Maybe, maybe not. Plus, Ari had a role that JC would have scanned as Town Vanilla. So, they now have 2 roles that both carry the functions of a normal GF.

The point I am making in all of this is that you seem pretty certain that there is a mafia godfather. You may be right, but as a VT how can you know this with such certainty?

I'm just operating under that very safe assumption. We have a Godfather every single game and 95% of the time they're BP and scan as Vanilla. I don't think the final scum being Godfather or not changes who I think it could be at all though

People were theorizing that Canuck was responsible for Brian's poisoning with the coal. Given that there is no hidden text in his role flip, we still have to account for that.

I can only think that a Mafia role could account for it. Maybe there is no Godfather. This game has had several surprising features.

maybe im wrong, but if im right and we let him win we will never hear the end of it so

##lynch Curtis

im317 @ 9/11/2015 17:43

maybe im wrong, but if im right and we let him win we will never hear the end of it so ##lynch Curtis

sigh

##unlynch

Timmah @ 9/11/2015 17:45

##unlynch

You won townie points

317 remember that part about not getting two votes on someone too fast? (:

If Wikey's mafia he could've just hammered if he was viewing

Wikey @ 9/11/2015 17:39

People were theorizing that Canuck was responsible for Brian's poisoning with the coal. Given that there is no hidden text in his role flip, we still have to account for that. I can only think that a Mafia role could account for it. Maybe there is no Godfather. This game has had several surprising features.

Oh yeah, I thought the poison was one of Henry's JOAT abilities but it's not

Also, the idea that I have been buddying up with Curtis is ridiculous.

I inadvertently saved him Day 5, but my reason for not wanting to lynch him wasn't because I was sure he was town, but because there was better options.

I hate lynching random borderline inactives just because...

Also im317, I don't get why you find it scummy that I wanted to wait for you to show up before lynching Ari. We had no way of knowing if you killed Chris until you showed!

Really don't know who to pick between Curtis and Timmah. I was leaning Curtis earlier, but he is coming across as very sincere and makes some good points about how the last scum would want to try and blend in for the final run in. Timmah tunneling on him makes me wonder if he is throwing caution to the wind as he is so close to victory. I dunno...

All i do know is that I hope im317 is the SK, cause we sure as hell don't deserve to win!

Can we get a count before we end this shit prematurely.

Keep in mind that the mafia is going to be reluctant to hammer. They will want to avoid im317 shooting them at night if they lynch town.