I'm starting to think we have a 3rd party JOAT-type role. It would explain the 1-time silence, and the 1-time poisoning. Not sure what the other choices would be, but it could be tied to the gun I just got last night. All these events seem to be 1-time events, and with the number of people dwindling quickly, I think it makes more sense if they were all coming from the same person.

I'm putting this out there now. I will be shooting the gun I received this afternoon some time. I am planning on picking my top scum target and shooting them, unless someone has compelling evidence to change targets.

At the moment, my top scum read is Henry. This is because he a) adamantly disbelieves my silence claim, b) hasn't done anything to help town all game, and c) called me a cunt.

If anyone has compelling evidence to save Henry, you better get to it. If that does surface, I'm then probably looking in the direction of someone in the Schrauben/Redster/Jayadamo/Dylan/Canuck group.

Timmah @ 3/11/2015 20:45

Redster and Jay were also absent but not active at all.

Hey I'm totally active.

##lynch canuck

see I'm participating.

Timmah @ 4/11/2015 9:12

Dylan @ 3/11/2015 20:52 Well looks like everyone so far was telling the truth. Two people died which means (mafia/IM317 (if he is telling the truth). While it is REALLY shady that both people that died had pretty good alabis (especially Buffy), it could possibly also confirm that there is indeed a separate killer other than IM317 (which resulted in Badger's death and one of these deaths). This is the type of post that makes me suspicious of Dylan. Again, I have never played with him so I do not know if this is his m.o., but im317 claimed town vig, and we know (or we can safely assume) that the mafia has a kill. So, we already knew there were 2 kills out there with the possibility of more given brian's poisoning (which is a kill action, for the record).

What I am saying is the same person that poisoned Brian was almost 100% not the same person that killed Buffy. I agree the Mafia has a kill. But it's only been seen twice (night 1 as well as last night). While the poisoning could have been a mafia role, I believe it is likely separate than the traditional kill.

okay, I see what you are saying and I agree with it. JC may be correct in that it could be some sort of third party JOAT type of role. We've got nothing but speculation at this point though.

Who the hell is Dadd?

JC @ 4/11/2015 0:48

Dylan @ 3/11/2015 23:35 Timmah @ 3/11/2015 22:50 Mafia killed Buffy Imo. Third party or 317 killed the twins imo. The big question is what happened to the Mafia kill night2? Night 3 Brian was poisoned so there were actually 2 kills that night, which accounts for perhaps a third party kill. There were 2 kills last night as well and one wasn't 317 if we believe him This post doesn't make sense. Brian being poisoned seems to be something different than the traditional kill, so that does not mean there was 2 kills that night. Also since im317 wasn't blocked his kill likely ended up on one of the twins, or Buffy. The question is if it was done by a bus driver or some sort of puppet master. Why don't you just tell us who you redirected last night that ended up with known townies being killed. You've been hinting at being the redirector for at least 2 days now. Just come out with it and clear up the confusion.

I am not the re-director. Up until last night I assumed it was probably a bus driver. However due to the fact that IM317 was the one affected (and if scum-Ari was telling the truth then Buffy the night before) it is probably some sort of puppet master role.

JC @ 4/11/2015 7:25

and c) called me a cunt.

LOL - should be reason enough right there!

Damn I missed some good stuff apparently.

Wikey @ 4/11/2015 7:39

Who the hell is Dadd?

One of our gang who likes to watch...

JC @ 4/11/2015 7:22

I'm starting to think we have a 3rd party JOAT-type role. It would explain the 1-time silence, and the 1-time poisoning. Not sure what the other choices would be, but it could be tied to the gun I just got last night. All these events seem to be 1-time events, and with the number of people dwindling quickly, I think it makes more sense if they were all coming from the same person.

Sounds like a sucky role actually. 3rd party should have more in their arsenal. I'm thinking that role would be either town or mafia.

Redster @ 4/11/2015 10:05

Sounds like a sucky role actually. 3rd party should have more in their arsenal. I'm thinking that role would be either town or mafia.

I doubt it's mafia, as mafia normally doesn't get a 2nd kill action. I guess it could be a town role, but then it screwed up in poisoning brian. I'd lean 3rd party, but it being town is definitely possible.

A 3rd party JOAT type role is possible I guess. But I'm 50/50 on the idea. I guess if such a role was in the game, they could have had a roleblock which they blocked scum with night 2.

It also has to be said that if there is a third party, we can dismiss most of the usual types we see in games. Traditional SK is obviously not in play, a cult is unlikely (unless the leader is inactive, recruiting extremely well, or biding their time), nobody countered Ari's fake claim meaning we can rule out an arsonist. It doesn't leave you many other options. So in that regard I could buy a third party JOAT.

But then you have to ask what powers they have. Did they poison Brian? I don't think so. The same night he was poisoned he was also roleblocked. Unless the poison also blocked, that sounds like a coordinated attack. Did they silence JC? Again, silencer is usually a scum role, I don't think a 3rd party would have as much use of such a power.

It's hard to say. It does disconcert me that we have no evidence of a third party, when there is one in almost every game.

JC @ 4/11/2015 10:25

I'm putting this out there now. I will be shooting the gun I received this afternoon some time. I am planning on picking my top scum target and shooting them, unless someone has compelling evidence to change targets. At the moment, my top scum read is Henry. This is because he a) adamantly disbelieves my silence claim, b) hasn't done anything to help town all game, and c) called me a cunt. If anyone has compelling evidence to save Henry, you better get to it. If that does surface, I'm then probably looking in the direction of someone in the Schrauben/Redster/Jayadamo/Dylan/Canuck group.

No offence JC, but if I was the one handing out guns, you would be far from my first choice in this game! I'd have given it to im317 or Buffy. Keep that in mind as you make your decision. Whoever gave you it might not necessarily be town, and they might be banking on you shooting the wrong target.

Regarding Henry, I'm not totally against it, but I also think there are better options.

For starters, one of your reasons for shooting him are personal! Calling you a cunt shouldn't be cited as a reason for shooting him, because it doesn't reflect on his alignment either way.

Your first two reasons are better, but:

1 - Henry isn't the only one to have voiced doubts about your silence claim. I lynched you yesterday partly because of it! Granted I am more inclined to believe it now, but at the time I was dead set on you.
2 - Regardless of alignment, Henry rarely does anything to help town. In fact, in the only game I can recall him playing well he was Mafia GF! But most of the time he generally goofs around, tunnels on players for sketchy reasons, and does little else. Should he get a free pass for that? No, all i'm saying it's not really evidence that he is scum, he plays like this all the time.

I'm not even sure the gun should be used. I know I was against not using the gun last game when Curtis got one, but that was a very different situation. For one thing, the stakes were lower because it was earlier in the game, there was a definite target in Redster (who if he was telling the truth about being BP would have survived anyway).

And the fact that you recieved it in the first place rubs me the wrong way. Why didn't im get the gun, or Buffy?

I've got to get some work done, but will check back in in a few hours. JC, please don't shoot me, as that won't help town (and I can prove it to you). I would like to know if there is anyone silenced today, or if anyone was poisoned last night. There are other possibilities for im317's kill not going through last night. I know he is holding back on his target, but it may be helpful to figure it out.

a redirection role does not necessarily explain what happened to im317, if I'm thinking through this clearly.

If he was redirected, the only explanation is he was redirected to rose or buffy - probably rose just because the mafia likely wanted buffy out. Otherwise, we should've seen a player survive a kill or im317 should've had notice he was blocked.

Just so we are all on the same page, in most games here, if the mafia have an additional killing role (like a one time unstoppable killer) it can be used the same night as the normal attack. Sometimes there will be a clause, like the unstoppable killer can't go out for both kills, but that's about it.

Also, hello Dadd, is this entertaining or wut? :)