im317 @ 29/1/2018 14:10

Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:07 im317 @ 29/1/2018 13:59 this not being a normal game for abilities is really starting to get annoying. lynching Helios doesn't resolve things unless he flips scum. if he flips town do we turn around and lynch Nav? he had no reason to counter claim so hes probably town. Zersch has jury duty, but that doesn't explain why he wasn't around Sunday. for an alternate vote i would rather Patrick over Sock because i feel like we have gotten something out of Patrick, where as we would be lynching Sock without him ever really saying anything. Zersch has jury duty? Is this a huge ass scum slip? no. http://www.ndimforums.com/project_mayhem/thread.asp?threadid=7390331&pp=50#new

you don't venture out of the mafia forum. You are scum and so is Zersch.

Mads @ 29/1/2018 8:25

Helios Garabandia @ 29/1/2018 12:23 Lamps @ 29/1/2018 11:20 Helios Garabandia @ 29/1/2018 6:10 DS @ 29/1/2018 0:07 Helios Garabandia @ 28/1/2018 21:02 Still waiting for someone to give an actual reason why I'm the "best move" for today. Interesting to see how many of the arguments I made against others that were dismissed are being thrown back my way and everyone are just shrugging their shoulders and letting it go. No one else is claiming to have the same role as someone else. DS, riddle me this: When Wikey claimed I was Commuter, you got all suspicious about me having a role name. Which, as you remember, I never said I had. When Nav said he was Commuter, you seemed to ignore the "role name" thing and went straight back to voting me. Which is it? Do people have role names or not? This is not how town defends imo. It's interesting that you view this as defense. I view this as pointing out how DS' hard-on for wanting me lynched caused him to ignore something he came at me for. Yeah I think this makes DS look bad, not you. Especially knowing that not all of us have role names.

Makes me look bad? Maddie stop sheeping you are coming off scummy. I was the one to bring up scum having role names in the first place.

Helios Garabandia @ 29/1/2018 15:06

Christian @ 29/1/2018 14:04 Helios Garabandia @ 29/1/2018 14:59 I also can't wait until the postgame so I can figure out HOW THE SHIT my commute seemed to have no effect. because Wikey's mimic action didn't rely on actually visiting a person. But at the same time, me commuting should make me untargetable. I just don't see how the two go together.

I get why you'd be confused. That's not really the important issue here though is it? We know Wikey used his action on you, which you had confirmed. Now it's just what we do about it.

Christian @ 29/1/2018 14:10

A vote thief doesn't seem very Town friendly, but why would Patrick come out and admit he stole Curtis' vote? Even if he's just trolling, that's bad for his teammates if he's scum. I'd vote Patrick again, but would almost rather settle the debate of whether two people of the same alignment could have the exact same ability. Would Mafia have the ability to swap two people in this game? Tier admitting to chauffeuring Jamie and Curtis, but not the reason kinda makes me think he had ulterior motives that maybe he and his scum mates came up with. I don't see the benefit unless they wanted people to think that Curtis had something to do with Jamie dying, since the flavour said that Curtis ended up in Jamie's room. I also don't see the reason for not sharing why he swapped Curtis and Jamie, when there was nothing to go on, unless he was hiding something else.

but does voting Helios actual clear anything up if he flips town? i kind of feel like people saying that are using it as a poor excuse to vote him. i get a feeling that there both town. Wikey's flip proved Helios has a commuter ability and Nav had no reason to claim.

Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:11

im317 @ 29/1/2018 14:10 Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:07 im317 @ 29/1/2018 13:59 this not being a normal game for abilities is really starting to get annoying. lynching Helios doesn't resolve things unless he flips scum. if he flips town do we turn around and lynch Nav? he had no reason to counter claim so hes probably town. Zersch has jury duty, but that doesn't explain why he wasn't around Sunday. for an alternate vote i would rather Patrick over Sock because i feel like we have gotten something out of Patrick, where as we would be lynching Sock without him ever really saying anything. Zersch has jury duty? Is this a huge ass scum slip? no. http://www.ndimforums.com/project_mayhem/thread.asp?threadid=7390331&pp=50#new you don't venture out of the mafia forum. You are scum and so is Zersch.

look again, that's not on FE

Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:11

im317 @ 29/1/2018 14:10 Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:07 im317 @ 29/1/2018 13:59 this not being a normal game for abilities is really starting to get annoying. lynching Helios doesn't resolve things unless he flips scum. if he flips town do we turn around and lynch Nav? he had no reason to counter claim so hes probably town. Zersch has jury duty, but that doesn't explain why he wasn't around Sunday. for an alternate vote i would rather Patrick over Sock because i feel like we have gotten something out of Patrick, where as we would be lynching Sock without him ever really saying anything. Zersch has jury duty? Is this a huge ass scum slip? no. http://www.ndimforums.com/project_mayhem/thread.asp?threadid=7390331&pp=50#new you don't venture out of the mafia forum. You are scum and so is Zersch.

Meta'ing to the extreme (:

im317 @ 29/1/2018 15:14

Christian @ 29/1/2018 14:10 A vote thief doesn't seem very Town friendly, but why would Patrick come out and admit he stole Curtis' vote? Even if he's just trolling, that's bad for his teammates if he's scum. I'd vote Patrick again, but would almost rather settle the debate of whether two people of the same alignment could have the exact same ability. Would Mafia have the ability to swap two people in this game? Tier admitting to chauffeuring Jamie and Curtis, but not the reason kinda makes me think he had ulterior motives that maybe he and his scum mates came up with. I don't see the benefit unless they wanted people to think that Curtis had something to do with Jamie dying, since the flavour said that Curtis ended up in Jamie's room. I also don't see the reason for not sharing why he swapped Curtis and Jamie, when there was nothing to go on, unless he was hiding something else. but does voting Helios actual clear anything up if he flips town? i kind of feel like people saying that are using it as a poor excuse to vote him. i get a feeling that there both town. Wikey's flip proved Helios has a commuter ability and Nav had no reason to claim.

That's why I haven't for anyone yet. I'm still deciding what the best play is.

Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:10

Helios, you may have answered this already so if you have forgive me, but who are your top 3 reads?

I am not a fan of Patrick or DS' claimed actions, because they seem very anti-Town. Patrick slightly more than DS, hence my current vote.
Lamps has a serious desire to see me die, but I don't know what to make of that.
That Canuck vote today is one of the worst things I've ever seen.

Oh, and in basically every game, at least one of the ProM people have been scum, and since it's not me, one of Zersch/TT/im317 are also scum, but that's just silly metagaming. :)

I don't like that nav isn't voting Helios

DS @ 29/1/2018 14:23

I don't like that nav isn't voting Helios

Why?

im317 @ 29/1/2018 14:15

Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:11 im317 @ 29/1/2018 14:10 Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:07 im317 @ 29/1/2018 13:59 this not being a normal game for abilities is really starting to get annoying. lynching Helios doesn't resolve things unless he flips scum. if he flips town do we turn around and lynch Nav? he had no reason to counter claim so hes probably town. Zersch has jury duty, but that doesn't explain why he wasn't around Sunday. for an alternate vote i would rather Patrick over Sock because i feel like we have gotten something out of Patrick, where as we would be lynching Sock without him ever really saying anything. Zersch has jury duty? Is this a huge ass scum slip? no. http://www.ndimforums.com/project_mayhem/thread.asp?threadid=7390331&pp=50#new you don't venture out of the mafia forum. You are scum and so is Zersch. look again, that's not on FE

it was a joke. It actually is FE, just a different forum. Is that an org?

Nav not voting Helios is odd. I would tend to think that Nav wouldn't cc as scum, but perhaps he would.

Helios is on track to be lynched, but didn't want to fully claim. His defenses seem to me to be all about how Wikey could have gotten his role and who else we should focus on instead. I am not convinced Helios is scum, but I still just don't see there being 2 town commuter actions. I could see one from town and one from mafia, though. There have been several people outright defending Helios too, which might shed some light depending on his flip.

I don't disagree that one of Patrick or DS is likely to be scum based on the claimed roles and how they used them. I never got an answer to my question about whether Patrick would then be able to use the stolen vote, though.

For the record, I'm not a fan of this Helios lynch.

I think it's easily possible to have two town players with similar every other night commuter actions.

/inb4heliosisscum

Helios Garabandia @ 29/1/2018 14:26

DS @ 29/1/2018 14:23 I don't like that nav isn't voting Helios Why?

Because he cc'd you in what looked like a "gotcha" post. This would be similar to you thinking you had caught Wikey for saying his action went through on you N1 when you knew that was very unlikely based on your own action.

Angi @ 29/1/2018 14:03

Wish I could do more than love and be loved. Sex would be nice

Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:28

im317 @ 29/1/2018 14:15 Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:11 im317 @ 29/1/2018 14:10 Motley Lou @ 29/1/2018 14:07 im317 @ 29/1/2018 13:59 this not being a normal game for abilities is really starting to get annoying. lynching Helios doesn't resolve things unless he flips scum. if he flips town do we turn around and lynch Nav? he had no reason to counter claim so hes probably town. Zersch has jury duty, but that doesn't explain why he wasn't around Sunday. for an alternate vote i would rather Patrick over Sock because i feel like we have gotten something out of Patrick, where as we would be lynching Sock without him ever really saying anything. Zersch has jury duty? Is this a huge ass scum slip? no. http://www.ndimforums.com/project_mayhem/thread.asp?threadid=7390331&pp=50#new you don't venture out of the mafia forum. You are scum and so is Zersch. look again, that's not on FE it was a joke. It actually is FE, just a different forum. Is that an org?

Do you really still not know the difference between FE and Ndim