Do animals have consciousness? Next poll right here.

Does grass have consciousness? Next poll

Does poll have consciousness? Next poll

Does lol have consciousness? Next lol

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:29

Mayan apocalypse 2012 we've been dead for years now and trump is our president so this is obviously hell right

I didn't do anything *that* bad to deserve a Trump presidency.

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:26

You know I'm more aristotelian than anything bro, metaphysics god of the philosophers and all that

yo dawg this is a good point because of the prisonhouse of language and the fact that using english to discuss the afterlife makes it damn tough to bracket out the neoplatonism that has dominated western thought since at least its reintroduction into europe in like what the 12th century or some shit

but yo i don't see how the foal's epistemology really maps here because p much any theory of universals has a tough time accounting for emergent properties and also wtf is up with his causal relata bro it kinds seems like if we say that the dialectical process is teleological that we're saying it's not dialectical so wtf

Space Herm @ 1/11/2017 15:32

Do animals have consciousness? Next poll right here.

yo humans are animals and so if we have consciousness then yeah

But is there an afterlife? Let's get this lol back on topic

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:33

Does grass have consciousness? Next poll

yo probs not because there seems to be some biological realities underlying intelligence and intelligence seems to be a prereq for consciousness and so even without hammering out the terms we can see an evolution that would likely continue and so we're right back to the thing i was asking and oh god what if those transhumanism nerds are right wtf

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:39

But is there an afterlife? Let's get this lol back on topic

yo but if you're constraining life to the physical body then probs not altho then look at the ship of theseus and what precisely is the body and is any body the same body if it's not identical a second later and then if you're not constraining life of the individual to the life of the body then are we even born do we ever die and what would after be if there's always life RT followback

Intelligence is not a prereq for consciousness imo

we're spanish bbq:spin: @ 1/11/2017 13:42

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:39 But is there an afterlife? Let's get this lol back on topic yo but if you're constraining life to the physical body then probs not altho then look at the ship of theseus and what precisely is the body and is any body the same body if it's not identical a second later and then if you're not constraining life of the individual to the life of the body then are we even born do we ever die and what would after be if there's always life RT followback

Exactly, so both yes and no

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:43

Intelligence is not a prereq for consciousness imo

yo but isn't consciousness an autorational process and so how can you reason if you don't have the nerve cells to do so maybe we should ask igor this isn't my department

Igor, thoughts?

Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:44

we're spanish bbq:spin: @ 1/11/2017 13:42 Darren 💲anders @ 1/11/2017 15:39 But is there an afterlife? Let's get this lol back on topic yo but if you're constraining life to the physical body then probs not altho then look at the ship of theseus and what precisely is the body and is any body the same body if it's not identical a second later and then if you're not constraining life of the individual to the life of the body then are we even born do we ever die and what would after be if there's always life RT followback Exactly, so both yes and no

yo goddammit bro don't go all heraclitus on me now with all this unity of opposites shit cmon man even if you can't step in the same river once you still got your feet wet by something and we can still give that something a name and oh shit we're back to the prisonhouse fuck