tbh if I was scum and snuck by on that day, I'd have just killed one of Boc or Christian last night (: . Then argued all day today to try to get the other lynched

If I'm scum I'm EITHER:

1: On the team that killed Vlady. They clearly didn't know that he had a BP vest. I knew this!!!

2: On the team that killed Ari, who is most likely the Purple team's Godfather. And most of us have been working under the assumption that List scum is on the Purple team due to the Angi kill. So it makes no sense for me to be on the Ari attack team either

Redirection aside ofc but the only two instances of redirections stemmed from Lamps' lies so we've seen no evidence of any

##Lynch Wikey after yesterday. Seriously? You were fighting the Lamps lynch harder than he was. Can you explain that?

Curtis @ 11/4/2016 19:58

Explain Chris!

You being roleblocked smells like bullshit

Also what kind of idiot tries to kill Vlady if Jay gave him the best? WTF

You guys are so wrong it's not even funny

Wikey @ 11/4/2016 20:22

You guys are so wrong it's not even funny

oh, please enlighten us.

this is going to be a very interesting day.

Chris25 @ 11/4/2016 20:20

Curtis @ 11/4/2016 19:58 Explain Chris! You being roleblocked smells like bullshit

How come?

We know there's two roleblockers because there were some nights with two people blocked. We know Mafia has one because they blocked Mal when he claimed Watcher. Either each mafia has one or one does and town has the other. You don't think mafia roleblocker would block me last night to prevent me from confirming?

I will probably get HOL for inadvertently making myself look this scummy though, I do understand, truly I do.

You kinda need to take it on faith that I am telling the truth about being town.

Yall should note that it seems the Raider mafia has been pushing the agenda the past few days. Bye for now, it's late here

Wikey @ 11/4/2016 20:24

I will probably get HOL for inadvertently making myself look this scummy though, I do understand, truly I do. You kinda need to take it on faith that I am telling the truth about being town. Yall should note that it seems the Raider mafia has been pushing the agenda the past few days. Bye for now, it's late here

excuse me, but yesterday you tried to call all the shots, remember? Maybe the Environmentalist Mafia was pushing their agenda yesterday.

Curtis

Herm constantly saying it couldn't possibly be Lamps while Lamps' train was getting ahead of me would make him vry obvious as a scum buddy. I'm not sure if it's too obvious (tho wikey). I posted my Lamps poisoning theory twice and Herm had weird responses to it and wouldn't acknowledge my question asking him how he thinks Lamps survived (since we both agreed there probably wasn't a poison doc)

He said he was poisoned for absolutely no reason. I assumed one poisoning was fake and one was real or something.

I did not make sense to me so I was not sure what his angle was? Go down fighting?

You and Boc are kinda weird ones too with some stuff concerning your roles, not gonna lie.

Hermsworth @ 11/4/2016 20:29

Curtis Herm constantly saying it couldn't possibly be Lamps while Lamps' train was getting ahead of me would make him vry obvious as a scum buddy. I'm not sure if it's too obvious (tho wikey). I posted my Lamps poisoning theory twice and Herm had weird responses to it and wouldn't acknowledge my question asking him how he thinks Lamps survived (since we both agreed there probably wasn't a poison doc) He said he was poisoned for absolutely no reason. I assumed one poisoning was fake and one was real or something. I did not make sense to me so I was not sure what his angle was? Go down fighting? You and Boc are kinda weird ones too with some stuff concerning your roles, not gonna lie.

This was my theory:

Curtis @ 10/4/2016 10:43

The only thing I can think of for Lamps being scum is this: Lamps is either the poisoner or on the team with the poisoner. Lamps claimed to be poisoned so once there were two poison claims in him and Zilla, Zilla would die at the end of the day and Lamps would live. Then the obvious solution is that there's a town poison doctor who chose Lamps to save, because of course they would over the inactive Zilla (explains the motivation for poisoning Zilla of all people). Then Lamps now gets to claim that he's not mafia because they poisoned him. It's kind of a long con if true but not a particularly far fetched one at all and has benefits. The last several games in a row have included different plays like that I've thought Lamps has been Town for awhile but the only reason I'm skeptical at this point is because of a town poison doctor. For Lamps to survive being poisoned, there has to be a town poison doctor who can save one of the two people by the end of the day. But if the poisoning was a one time thing which it definitely seems to be, WHY would there be a town role that exists just for this one moment

I think that's what went down. They were banking on people believing Lamps/Zilla was poisoned but the poison doctor saved Lamps

Curtis @ 11/4/2016 20:23

Chris25 @ 11/4/2016 20:20 Curtis @ 11/4/2016 19:58 Explain Chris! You being roleblocked smells like bullshit How come? We know there's two roleblockers because there were some nights with two people blocked. We know Mafia has one because they blocked Mal when he claimed Watcher. Either each mafia has one or one does and town has the other. You don't think mafia roleblocker would block me last night to prevent me from confirming?

I feel like it's a possibility that the other Mafia would block you to help discredit your claim. But if they were going to do that, why didn't they also just try to kill me last night? Get rid of two of us almost at once. Remember one Mafia has no friends on the Zook train. That's why vladykins was a strange choice for a kill, aside from the BP vest thing.

Hermsworth @ 11/4/2016 20:29

Curtis Herm constantly saying it couldn't possibly be Lamps while Lamps' train was getting ahead of me would make him vry obvious as a scum buddy. I'm not sure if it's too obvious (tho wikey). I posted my Lamps poisoning theory twice and Herm had weird responses to it and wouldn't acknowledge my question asking him how he thinks Lamps survived (since we both agreed there probably wasn't a poison doc) He said he was poisoned for absolutely no reason. I assumed one poisoning was fake and one was real or something. I did not make sense to me so I was not sure what his angle was? Go down fighting? You and Boc are kinda weird ones too with some stuff concerning your roles, not gonna lie.

I'm not sure what Lamps tried to achieve by lying about the Poison. The Zilla choice now makes sense though if he was hoping he wouldn't have shown up to discuss it. But Lamps knew he wasn't going to die, so who knows? But yeah, anyone defending Lamps after all the strikes against him look bad.

Christian @ 11/4/2016 20:27

Wikey @ 11/4/2016 20:24 I will probably get HOL for inadvertently making myself look this scummy though, I do understand, truly I do. You kinda need to take it on faith that I am telling the truth about being town. Yall should note that it seems the Raider mafia has been pushing the agenda the past few days. Bye for now, it's late here excuse me, but yesterday you tried to call all the shots, remember? Maybe the Environmentalist Mafia was pushing their agenda yesterday.

I still think it was much better to lynch Boc, even after Lamps flip.

It's bullshit to suggest I defended Lamps. I was quite ambivalent about him tbh, and I seem to recall saying he was shady. Also, me defending Redster...I explained I was skimming and didn't really know why he was been lynched. I was leaving it open for someone to provide an explanation.

Now we are back in the same place we was yesterday. One of Boc, Curtis and Christian are scum, and we are no closer to knowing which of them it is. Curtis been roleblocked was rather predictable and it's impossible to read anything into it.

Which is why I personally think we should just table the issue completely for now. We can find scum by other means.