Oh snap.

@ Igor

Yawn, butt hurt still are ya? Why in the world would you expect me to vote out Lamps? You were never honest with me. And you expected me to vote out Lamps just to save you, when you obviously didn't realize I had an alliance with Timmah, Dylan and Lamps. It was clear in the BS PM's you sent me that I made the right choice. I'd rather lose to Lamps than some internet name calling self absorbed douche like you any day of the week.

Well, I like the final 6 or 7 or whatever was all newbs to ibby. Also, one from House A and one from House B. I suppose if I wanted to, I could stick with my original housemate, Schrauben. But Igor brings up a good point. He wanted out of the game. He got that. He was brought back in to be used a tool to advance other players. Not really sure how much of that was his choice. So do I see a deserving winner? I don't know. I don't know much of Lamps' game either.

So since I was evicted a long time ago, I don't remember who was in charge, who was voting, etc., I want to know from each of you, why I left over Buffy. Also, in one or two sentences, tell my why you should get my vote over your opponent? And also, I probably won't be reading opening statements or your answers to other jurors' questions. :P So if you want me to see something, say it in reply to this post.

schrauben @ 20/9/2015 19:13

@ Igor Yawn, butt hurt still are ya? Why in the world would you expect me to vote out Lamps? You were never honest with me. And you expected me to vote out Lamps just to save you, when you obviously didn't realize I had an alliance with Timmah, Dylan and Lamps. It was clear in the BS PM's you sent me that I made the right choice. I'd rather lose to Lamps than some internet name calling self absorbed douche like you any day of the week.

See, if you just answered me the same way Timmah did when I was going out, you probably would have 100% had my vote. But the true schru came out and you were a class A douchebag. You have horrible jury management skills. I was telling you to vote out lamps since he was the biggest threat left in the game. You can't sit her and tell me you played a better game than Lamps. I was very aware you were close with them, but you had no shot at beating either.

Igor @ 21/9/2015 0:23

schrauben @ 20/9/2015 19:13 @ Igor Yawn, butt hurt still are ya? Why in the world would you expect me to vote out Lamps? You were never honest with me. And you expected me to vote out Lamps just to save you, when you obviously didn't realize I had an alliance with Timmah, Dylan and Lamps. It was clear in the BS PM's you sent me that I made the right choice. I'd rather lose to Lamps than some internet name calling self absorbed douche like you any day of the week. See, if you just answered me the same way Timmah did when I was going out, you probably would have 100% had my vote. But the true schru came out and you were a class A douchebag. You have horrible jury management skills. I was telling you to vote out lamps since he was the biggest threat left in the game. You can't sit her and tell me you played a better game than Lamps. I was very aware you were close with them, but you had no shot at beating either.

I never said I played a better game than lamps. And I have no idea how timmah a sneered you going out unless it's the screen shot of the brief conversation you sent me. I had no issues with you and worked with you the entire time I was back, until you started with the Internet bad ass routine. I can say I wasn't deceitful in anyway this game, that's something you can't do. If that doesn't win the game for me then I'm fine with that.

So you're not answering my 3 questions?

Don't forget to answer the questions between the inults lol.

Igor @ 21/9/2015 0:35

So you're not answering my 3 questions?

I will give me time I'm looking for a backbone.

Igor @ 20/9/2015 23:40

Schrauben: Q #1: What did you do this game? What did you ACTUALLY do, what was your plan? If you want any shot at getting my vote, convince me here. In your speech you claim to play the same game as Lamps, while it was clear he was way more active socially and startegically. Q #2: What tricks did your master teach you? Did you only know how to jump and sit but did you also fetch? I told you myself after I got voted out that you had no backbone. I believe you did what others told you to do and thats why you're here. To both contesants: Accurately describe what you think happened in the 2nd point point (where we distributed nomination chips). Give me what you think each player was thinking and how everyone split their chips, and ultimately what each player wanted to do. Put yourselves in everyone's shoes. Including your own. Whoever does this more accurately will be 75% there to getting my vote.

Q1: I was aligned with what turned out to be the strongest alliance, I maintained a decent realationship with all other players after I returned to minimize enemies. And i gave timmah the idea to put me up for eviction, knowing that if you or lamps won POV, you would more than likely use it on me putting the other up. You wanted lamps out who we weren't going to vote out. And lamps wanted you out, which I agreed with. But other than that I played to try and keep us 4 strong as long as I could.

Q2: I did what I agreed to do with others, and when I came back it was to work with Dylan, Lamps and Timmah to try and get us to the final 4. We fell short of that, if you hadn't put up Dylan and Timmah when you did, it may have been you in the F4 with us. The fact you think I'm some spineless dog because I voted to evict you, is a joke.

Here is how I think the points were distributed for the point point.
Igor: 18=lamps 18
-igor gave all 18 of his cause lamps was his biggest threat and was an obvious target for weeks.

Lamps: 16=igor 16
-lamps gave all of his to igor cause he knew igor would be targeting him with his.

Nobert: 9=lamps 4+Tony 5
-Norbert, I think aligned with igor at this time and was trying to help make sure that lamps was put up and also trying to save igor by giving some to Tony.

Schrauben: 2=Nobert 2
-I gave two to Nobert cause timmah and I didn't have many to distribute so we agreed to combine ours to try and get Jeff put up.

Timmah: 5=Nobert 5
-See above

Tony: 11=Nobert 6+ Schrauben 5
-I'm not sure what Tony was thinking, I understand the point is on Norbert cause we felt he had aligned with igor, I'm. It sure if the points to me were to protect someone or cause he may have had info that I may be getting some votes and he was trying to help push me into the top two.

Oh look, there's my backbone, sorry igor I found it.

I have a question for both finalists, how much did you know or were aware of other people's games?

Like me, Buffy, Dylan etc.

Okay, my question to you both is: Lamps, you talked about luck a lot. This game was completely about luck so I'd rather you focus on what you did that wasn't "luck." Same with Schrauben. You're a returnee - you were already voted out once so why should you win? Sorry, if I repeated anything but I didn't read any of Igor's stuff.

Basically, I saw this as two houses divided and just plain luck. And that's how it panned out imo. I guess my second question would be, who in the jury helped you get here the most and what were their mistakes that you cashed in on, if any?

Good luck to you both!

Herm @ 21/9/2015 1:54

I have a question for both finalists, how much did you know or were aware of other people's games? Like me, Buffy, Dylan etc.

I wasn't really aware of you're game Herm, we talked a couple times but it was generally when you were up for eviction. Buffy and I talked a couple of times but nothing really ever developed and she never really shared any info.

I was only really aware of timmah, lamps, Dylan's game, only because we talked about each vote and discussed thoughts about each eviction.

I was aware of igors game at least I thought I was, I always felt he was with holding something and had multiple alliances out there to try and fall back on.

Tony and I sent a few PM's back and forth, but I didn't have a real good feel for his game. Same as Christian.

Since theres lots of questions, I feel like asking now too! Can't be left out! ;)

These are for both of you.

Rank the jurors in order of who you think had the best game play from best to worst. Please explain why as well. I want to know why you think it, whether or not anyone else agrees, its not them I am asking, it is you. I want your personal opinion on it please. Be honest, no kissing ass.

Also, give me a song to explain your game. Creativity is key!

JJ @ 21/9/2015 1:57

Okay, my question to you both is: Lamps, you talked about luck a lot. This game was completely about luck so I'd rather you focus on what you did that wasn't "luck." Same with Schrauben. You're a returnee - you were already voted out once so why should you win? Sorry, if I repeated anything but I didn't read any of Igor's stuff. Basically, I saw this as two houses divided and just plain luck. And that's how it panned out imo. I guess my second question would be, who in the jury helped you get here the most and what were their mistakes that you cashed in on, if any? Good luck to you both!

I totally agree it was completely about luck. That's why I had a hard time at first I thought this game would be contest based not luck based. And the. When I was put up he first two weeks it quickly appeared I wasn't welcome in the house I was in. I almost told Brian I didn't want a chance to get back in but said the hell with it, I didn't figure I would actually get back in and tried anyhow. I'm glad I did for I got a much better feel for this type of game going forward.

The only thing I did that wasn't luck based is the relationships that I built and maintained throughout. I didn't have to stab anyone in the back which I think is pretty unusual for this game.

Dylan, Timmah and igor, were the main three that I worked with to get here. Dylan's downfall was being pitted against timmah and being seen as a threat that people wanted eliminated, igor's downfall was trying to play to many angles with multiple people and ultimately people didn't trust him. Timmah'so didn't really a downfall other than being seen as a bigger threat than I to lamps.

Luck only plays a factor in the challenges. This was a game about not getting voted out. When deciding on a winner I ask who did that best. Real Big Brother challenges are just as random, it's all variance. It's a game about protecting yourself against that variance. A huge way to get a edge was points. Everyone that is in the jury was put here because of a mistake they or someone else made, and I'll stand by that. Nobody here has anyone to blame but themselves.

I don't want to see the F2 use luck as a crutch. Everyone knows the vetos/HOHs were random, those can't be controlled. What can be controlled are your actions and what moves/decisions you made.