OH yesssss don't stop plz, I'm almost done

Yeah you like that shit?

Tim @ 12/10/2017 19:45

spindoctor02 @ 12/10/2017 19:25 Tim @ 12/10/2017 17:38 Grass is green for instance isn't a fact. The majority of us simply have a consensus that this thing we decided to call "grass" is this color we've attributed as being "green". We aren't even 100% certain that the color I see as green is the same as the color you see as green. For all I know green isn't what I think it is at all, I'll never know unless I lose my eyes and get implants from someone else's eyes. At which point I'd know one other person sees things the way I do, and not be able to extrapolate from just that sample. False. Color is determined by the wavelength of light not absorbed by the object. Therefore, what is labeled as "green" is, by definition, green. Now, people may have different interpretations of what "green" is, but that doesn't make the wavelength of light any less green. You've explored these wavelengths of light and come to these conclusions for yourself or you read it in a book?

It's a basic principle of physics. I have tested the properties of light myself as well as having read about it in books.

You tell yourself what you gotta tell yourself buddy

Tim @ 12/10/2017 21:27

You tell yourself what you gotta tell yourself buddy

You are so right. I should ignore empirical evidence and just go with what I feel instead.


'Merica!

Now you're getting it!

Christian @ 12/10/2017 17:06

A submarine is a type of sandwich. But a hotdog is a hotdog.

I've already displayed submarine sandwiches, including ones with sausage on them. They look exactly the same and are held exactly the same. So what is different about a hot dog other than the need to think it is different?

Bryce @ 12/10/2017 19:07

I saw a contradiction in there about pitas not being a sandwich since it isn't sliced. I never slice my hot dog bun, so therefore it can't be a sandwich? Am I getting this correctly.

If you look, the hot dog bun was previously sliced before you got to it in most cases. In fact, NE-style are labeled as "top-sliced".

Bryce @ 12/10/2017 19:07

I saw a contradiction in there about pitas not being a sandwich since it isn't sliced. I never slice my hot dog bun, so therefore it can't be a sandwich? Am I getting this correctly.

Tim @ 12/10/2017 17:38

There's no such thing as facts regarding labels. They are things we make up collectively and agree on because why not. Classifications depend on a collective of features a group decided together defined a subject. Thus now everything with those features is part of that classification. Grass is green for instance isn't a fact. The majority of us simply have a consensus that this thing we decided to call "grass" is this color we've attributed as being "green". We aren't even 100% certain that the color I see as green is the same as the color you see as green. For all I know green isn't what I think it is at all, I'll never know unless I lose my eyes and get implants from someone else's eyes. At which point I'd know one other person sees things the way I do, and not be able to extrapolate from just that sample. It's all just opinions really, most facts are based on things we made up and just got a lot of other people to agree on. The popular opinion is that a hot dog is one thing and a sandwich is another thing and a hot dog is not a sandwich. You can argue your own personal opinion that a hot dog is a sandwich, that's fine. That's not what you're doing though, you clearly have denounced opinions and are trying to argue something as fact when it's impossible for it to be fact. The only fact is that a piece of meat is on a piece of bread, and only because we are all in agreement that a hotdog is meat and bread is bread. Thus, if we're being serious, a hotdog is neither a sandwich nor not a sandwich. It is a hotdog. The popular opinion that most functioning members of society hold as a collective though, is that a sandwich is one thing which a hotdog is not. Thus a hotdog is not a sandwich.

So you are saying we can't observe anything and therefore science is totally useless.

Once again, the anti-vaxxers have won.

Bryce @ 12/10/2017 19:56

Well, that was the stupid thing about the arguments in the first place. They were all opinions or preferences that were forced as "taxonomy" and pushed as a fact when it isn't a fact. If I take a slice of pizza and fold it, it doesn't make it into anything different unless I decided to call it something different. But it still doesn't make anything different...it's pizza. Hot dog, "sandwich", whatever you are eating turned a different way or having connecting or non connecting bread doesn't make it different. It still is what it is.

That's why I reject Tim and Ben's definitions for "how you hold it makes it a sandwich". That is just changing your point of observation and then claiming the item is different.

JJ @ 12/10/2017 20:32

Christian @ 12/10/2017 18:06 But a hotdog is a hotdog. Lock it.

Because why?

Again- we're one step away from "The Bible says it isn't a sandwich so it is true." Until you recognize that this is the basis for your argument, the argument will continue to fail. You all have faith that a hot dog is different form other sandwiches, but nobody can note a single difference that removes it from the category.

Strip away your faith.

Vlady it’s over you have been rekt

Yep, the religious among you have continued to push the anti-science agenda.

At some point, you will realize that your argument relies completely on faith and then you will hopefully examine evidence and be able to identify *some* characteristic that makes a hot dog different. Because I've been actually trying to come up with something different and I still can't for the life of me come up with anything that doesn't also apply to another sandwich.

I've also been thinking about Mitten's quesadilla argument, but the slicing in his case is not a necessary and sufficient requirement to make a quesadilla (slicing) so that's why that wouldn't suddenly be a sandwich- the slicing is something he does from preference but isn't required to place the filling in.

A hotdog’s composition and intent are very different from actual sandwiches and any obscure sandwich/sub/hotdog hybrid that you find a picture of is meant to be a combination of a sandwich and a hotdog which is why they’re in a grey area. How’s this: THEY’RE NOT SANDWICHES EITHER!

And now you will say that if that’s true then a bunch of people mistakenly call those things sandwiches but guess what, that’s fine. They do mistakenly call them sandwiches just like you mistakenly call a hotdog one, it has no bearing on what a hotdog is. Your whole argument is relying on ‘IF a hotdog isn’t a sandwich then neither are these things’

I am religious and I think by definition it is a sandwhich.

People can change Vlady.