Rodney @ 10/8/2023 9:22

Taking off. Later yall

Smooth travels, Rod.

gabagool @ 10/8/2023 8:40

Penner @ 10/8/2023 9:02 I guess the things to think about and hear more from Spin are: 1) How was Spin informed it didn’t happen? Like would it be a RB or just a failed attempt due to head’s restrictions 2) Could it be something where the head can’t be given to someone attempting a kill that night? Idk I was under the impression that he received the head (lol) and it wasn't part of his role. Like a hot potato situation.

That’s what he implied but that would have meant the original person got it and gave it out the same night. Seems odd and no one else has come forward to claim they got it originally.

BadgerMcBeaver @ 10/8/2023 7:49

Josh's reads are pretty wild to me. How do you have Jamie in neutral when he claimed vig, for instance? Especially considering that Steph had taken credit for the previous day kill but turned out to (most likely) be SK converted to town? That would have been very ballsy for Jamie to claim if he wasn't vig, and it would have been very weird for Jamie not to be attacked by the vig in that case. I get that his kill last night was not ideal but I would ve *very* surprised if he wasn't vig. Also, having Rose in 'Leaning Town' when we know so little about her role or reads seems odd to me as well.

1. i have a very loose grasp of what anyone claimed, i was going based solely on vibes at 3am. before this morning, i hadn't really seen jamie actively scumhunting a whole lot so i put him in neutral territory. claims are BS!! especially when we have an unknown role out that died.

2. i think rose is leaning town because she's catching a lot of heat but not really acting, instead just jokingly claiming town which always reads as town to me. call me a fool! but, i think people tend to get more defensive when they are scum and she seems pretty relaxed.

Spin received head N1 (assume told alongside resolving of all other night actions) from unknown
Spin attempted to give head N2 to Ahoda but was rejected

It’s definitely independent of Spin’s role, and also I don’t think giving it away could be tampered with by other actions. This is why I feel there’s something about Ahoda that prevents him from receiving it.

anyways.

i have solved the day.

##vote herm

yw everyone

Feeling Confident They are Town
17. Jamie - I don't really see how he could be anything except town as the vig.
20. Penner - First on the Lamps train, seems active in his scum hunting

Leaning Town
9. Sami - I suppose we will see what the taser does, but I do think she's town now. SORRY BAE FOR PUSHING YOU YESTERDAY.
12. Steph - I do think she's town because I don't think it would make sense for her to reveal that she's third party otherwise. If we get deep into the game and it seems like all the mafia are probably dead and we still haven't won, I think it makes sense to revisit her.
10. Herm - This is purely based off vibes. I feel like scum Herm is not all that helpful, and I feel like this iteration of Herm has been doing the Lord's work.
21. Maddie - Getting a townie vibe off her. Also, despite the fact that I don't give the Kat vote as much credit as others do, it does still count for something.
1. Rod - I feel like coming forward with his role to try and push Tib was probably a town play. Also, I feel like I agree with a fair amount of what he is saying.

Unsure
4. Curtis - Much quieter than I am used to Curt being, but the posts that he has been making have felt constructive. I also find myself agreeing with his reads.
8. Havo - His role feels like a random role to make up, and I do think it would probably be town aligned. But aside from his claim, I'm pretty neutral on him.
2. Ahoda - I can never really tell with Ahoda. Nothing he is doing screams town, but nothing screams scum. Him knowing about the Taser is interesting and I'm interested to hear more about that.
13. Stargate - Out of all the D1 Lamps votes, this is the one I feel the least confident about. I do think it's possible a scum could have been on that train, and if there was a scum on it, this is where I would place my bets. But that's just a theory.
7. im317 - Watcher is a powerful role for either town or mafia. I could see it being either faction. I believe the role but I am 50/50 on the faction.
3. Nav - Not really sure what to make of Nav. I don't feel like I have a good read on him yet.
5. Farlig - Honestly this is going to sound pretty backwards, but I'm kinda sus of Farlig is because of how rational/agreeable he's coming across to me. I feel like, whenever he's town I read him as scum, and whenever he's scum, I read him as town. This game, I'm reading him as town, which makes me think maybe he is scum?

Primary Lynch Pool
18. TIB - Of everyone in this category, I feel like the tone of his posts come off the least scummy. But the arguments in his posts aren't really ringing true to me. Also, the role seems like it would be a pretty powerful scum role.
19. Spin - I feel like Spin usually scum hunts more aggressively than he has this game. He pushed Sami a little bit yesterday, but that's about it.
15. Josh - I feel like their reads were a little bit nonsensical and to some degree kind of regurgitated from other people. Little information about their role.
6. Rose - This Rose feels very different from last game's Rose and we barely know anything about her role.

Either something about Ahoda or maybe because Spin and Ahoda are not of the same alignment?

gabagool @ 10/8/2023 9:42

The reason I'm hesitant to think TIB is scum is because I would think a scum forum would have talked him out of using that action so early.

He was was the leading lynch target like 2 mins before the day ended.

He was basically forced to use it.

Penner @ 10/8/2023 8:55

Spin received head N1 (assume told alongside resolving of all other night actions) from unknown Spin attempted to give head N2 to Ahoda but was rejected It’s definitely independent of Spin’s role, and also I don’t think giving it away could be tampered with by other actions. This is why I feel there’s something about Ahoda that prevents him from receiving it.

I guess it still possible the head was given to the original recipient immediately after the day closed and that person had to give it away N1. But to not come forward at this point to say you were the original recipient seems odd unless they also died that night but then would the head die with them or be able to be given away first before the kill?

BadgerMcBeaver @ 10/8/2023 10:00

gabagool @ 10/8/2023 9:42 The reason I'm hesitant to think TIB is scum is because I would think a scum forum would have talked him out of using that action so early. He was was the leading lynch target like 2 mins before the day ended. He was basically forced to use it.

I assumed Maddie meant “early” as in Day 2 of Day X. There could’ve been a quick counter train if his scummates were around. We’ve seen it before.

Penner @ 10/8/2023 10:01

BadgerMcBeaver @ 10/8/2023 10:00 gabagool @ 10/8/2023 9:42 The reason I'm hesitant to think TIB is scum is because I would think a scum forum would have talked him out of using that action so early. He was was the leading lynch target like 2 mins before the day ended. He was basically forced to use it. I assumed Maddie meant “early” as in Day 2 of Day X. There could’ve been a quick counter train if his scummates were around. We’ve seen it before.

Yes, this.

Actually, I guess by Badger's logic, TIB actually looks worse because it's scum being like, "you gotta use it, it's do or die." Correct me if I'm wrong, but did TIB even claim prior to that? It wasn't like he claimed and then said he was gonna prove it?


TIB--was that your only action?

Curiouser and curiouser

Penner @ 10/8/2023 10:01

BadgerMcBeaver @ 10/8/2023 10:00 gabagool @ 10/8/2023 9:42 The reason I'm hesitant to think TIB is scum is because I would think a scum forum would have talked him out of using that action so early. He was was the leading lynch target like 2 mins before the day ended. He was basically forced to use it. I assumed Maddie meant “early” as in Day 2 of Day X. There could’ve been a quick counter train if his scummates were around. We’ve seen it before.

I get what she meant.

But maf was down 2 members already. Forming a quick counter train as early as day 2 would have been a terrible play for them. Tib's back was against a wall there regardless of alignment.

The quick counter train works when you're further into the game and you are at least semi-close to having a majority. It isn't a good day 2 play.

Nav basically instructed him to use it

Thisisbourbon @ 10/8/2023 10:01

Penner @ 10/8/2023 8:55 Spin received head N1 (assume told alongside resolving of all other night actions) from unknown Spin attempted to give head N2 to Ahoda but was rejected It’s definitely independent of Spin’s role, and also I don’t think giving it away could be tampered with by other actions. This is why I feel there’s something about Ahoda that prevents him from receiving it. I guess it still possible the head was given to the original recipient immediately after the day closed and that person had to give it away N1. But to not come forward at this point to say you were the original recipient seems odd unless they also died that night but then would the head die with them or be able to be given away first before the kill?

The original obviously would have gotten it with their role DM. It's not rocket science lol