No one ever said touching a knee is rape.

Wikey @ 2/11/2017 22:11

Your claim that every woman on this board will have a story of sexual harassment is rather bold. Though I guess that depends on your definition of harassment.

I think the bold statement would be that there is just one story or that it was just a handsy creep. Of course it can happen to men, too. But I don't think the statement is very bold at all. I think it's way more common than you think.

Wikey @ 2/11/2017 22:11

As for the drink thing...well....if any guy thinks they can leave their drink unattended at a bar, they are stupid. Out of all the dangers women exclusively face you could have picked, I’m surprised you chose that. Men can and have had their drinks spiked.

Yes, I'm sure it has happened to men, too, but it's pretty silly to say it isn't usually women this happens to. And this was just one isolated example.

Wikey @ 2/11/2017 22:11

Going by the standards of what constitutes sexual harassment to some of you, I’d say women are just as bad as men! - It would seem some of you think women are incapable of looking after themselves. The idea that a woman has been victimized when a man puts a hand on her knee is ludicrous to me. As far as I’m concerned, women are perfectly capable of looking after themselves in situations like that. Simply tell the guy to fuck off, put him in his place. - I keep seeing you guys mention the ‘cultural issue’. What is this cultural problem exactly? What needs to change? What about our culture is so awful that needs changing...other than fictional characters fucking each other?

Saying women are just as bad as men is just minimizing things imo. Again, it can obviously happen to men as well as women but do you really think the majority of cases is not that men are "harassing" (to use the most minimal term in this thread although it can obviously be way worse than harassment) women? And whether it's a "hand on the knee" or something else, if it's unwelcome and uninvited, it's not okay. Period.

It is definitely a cultural problem. And I don't think the issue is that women can't "look after themselves" but, that being said, what if they can't in whatever the specific situation is? I don't think it's a matter of being able to look after yourselves or not. We should all be looking after each other and this really isn't men vs women. It's just being respectful to each other and holding the people who are crossing certain boundaries accountable for their actions and not acting like it's not a big deal or it isn't happening.

Every counter-argument seems to come down to "but hold on, us too - what about us".

As if it happening to both sexes somehow makes it even steven or some shit.

My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives.

Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50

My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives.

I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare.

Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:55

Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50 My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives. I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare.

Brock Turner was found guilty

Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:55

Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:55 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50 My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives. I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare. Brock Turner was found guilty

Correct, and he paid his debt to society and was released.

The point i was making was the court of public opinion and the actual legal system are two completely separate things

Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:58

Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:55 Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:55 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50 My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives. I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare. Brock Turner was found guilty Correct, and he paid his debt to society and was released.

So would you hire him? Why or why not?

Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:58

Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:55 Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:55 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50 My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives. I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare. Brock Turner was found guilty Correct, and he paid his debt to society and was released. The point i was making was the court of public opinion and the actual legal system are two completely separate things

But this thread is about opinions?

Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:58

Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:55 Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:55 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50 My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives. I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare. Brock Turner was found guilty Correct, and he paid his debt to society and was released.

LOL yes because three months in prison is truly paying a "debt to society."

He ruined a woman's life.

If there was actual justice in the world Brock Turner would have been killed in prison.

Edge @ 3/11/2017 0:02

If there was actual justice in the world Brock Turner would have been killed in prison.

Life in prison >>> (worse than) dying
Fuck the death penalty, but that's a different thread.

Maddie @ 3/11/2017 0:00

Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:58 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:55 Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:55 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50 My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives. I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare. Brock Turner was found guilty Correct, and he paid his debt to society and was released. LOL yes because three months in prison is truly paying a "debt to society." He ruined a woman's life.

The American legal system seems to think so.

Igor @ 3/11/2017 1:05

Edge @ 3/11/2017 0:02 If there was actual justice in the world Brock Turner would have been killed in prison. Life in prison >>> (worse than) dying Fuck the death penalty, but that's a different thread.

I'd settle for life in prison, too.

I had my mind changed by someone on here about the death penalty actually, so I reverted to spouting something I no longer really believe just because I have zero tolerance for people like Brock Turner. I had no idea that it cost more money to execute someone than it did to incarcerate them for life until I was educated on the issue.

Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 1:06

Maddie @ 3/11/2017 0:00 Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:58 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:55 Chris25 @ 3/11/2017 0:55 Nofo @ 2/11/2017 23:50 My point is that everyone makes their own decisions about public trials all the time. Why is rape treated differently in the court of public opinion than murder? Both accusations ruin lives. I dont really think it does though. I'm sure Brock Turner as just as much of a chance of getting any kind of a job right now as Casey Anthony does trying to get a job at a daycare. Brock Turner was found guilty Correct, and he paid his debt to society and was released. LOL yes because three months in prison is truly paying a "debt to society." He ruined a woman's life. The American legal system seems to think so.

No, a shitty male judge seems to think so.