Wikey @ 10/11/2015 18:07

When did I say scum never throw their scum buddies under the bus? Way to twist my words you shit.

Wikey @ 10/11/2015 7:00

Also, the idea that mafia would have to try something as unorthodox as lynching two of their scum buddies strikes me as a bit far fetched.

UNORTHODOX. What a joak

The idea that a mafia member....would try something SO unorthodox....as lynching......TWO of their scum buddies?! :o :o

How unheard of!

I ALWAYS refer to me and town as 'we' when I am town. This is silly, you are grasping at straws.

Anyway, I think this is the quote you are referring to where I apparently said 'scum NEVER throw their scum buddies under the bus'.

Me Yesterday

Also, the idea that mafia would have to try something as unorthodox as lynching two of their scum buddies strikes me as a bit far fetched. The main thing that fucks mafia over in the later game is mass claims, and as we have seen that hasn't been such a pressing issue this game because vanilla has been a viable fake claim.

I think the point I was trying to make is that me and Timmah were both on Ari and Redster very early, and for one of us to be scum, we must have clearly found both of them expendable. Even with the long con theory it seems so counterproductive to lynch two of your team mates when every number counts.

Scum often throw their team mates under the bus...but you rarely see them driving it! That was my point...not "scum never lynch their scum buddies FULLSTOP"

Perhaps you are thinking of a different quote...

Curtis is quite clearly putting words in my mouth now, if that is the quote he means to reference as me saying "Scum never lynch each other!!!!"

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Really don't know who to pick between Curtis and Timmah. I was leaning Curtis earlier, but he is coming across as very sincere and makes some good points about how the last scum would want to try and blend in for the final run in.

AH! Earlier in the day I was making good points he says! Until I started coming after him, then my previously good points were shit

He agrees with me right here when I say that the final mafia member needed to look as good as possible since the team wasn't great and was losing. I did not make myself look good at all, I didn't even ATTEMPT to. Wikey tried extremely hard to and lynched Ari and Redster early because of it. I'm not dumb, I know that joining a mafia train late as a mafia member almost makes you look shadier than just avoiding the train or thread at all

And you were right 317, it's not like Wikey led some insane charge against Ari. He posted so many times "Lets wait for 317 to get here and say he killed Chris". It was very obvious that you killed Chris, which I said. Wikey just prolonged it and gave Ari a chance to come up with a fake claim and all. Only when you showed up was he forced to go along with it because it was a forlorn conclusion at that point + with Buffy's block

Wikey you are slipping and losing your cool and it's making me smile

Curtis @ 10/11/2015 19:07

317, if I've been final mafia for awhile, why on earth would I not kill you? At the VERY end of Day 7 you said that you don't trust me at all. If I was Godfather or Mafia poisoner or whatever, I would not risk you attacking me and my team losing that way, it makes absolutely no sense for ScumCurtis to do that, NONE! Ask yourself why it makes sense for anyone to have kept you alive. There's only one reason, because the final mafia member was relatively trusted and was never at risk of you shooting them at night. That person is Wikey. That person is not me

I can think of at least two possibilities!

1 - The risk was worth it. 317 could easily whittle down the town if he could be persuaded to continue misfiring.
2 - You would have been worried like all of us that im317 was the SK. You wouldn't want to risk your kill failing due to BP third party at this stage.

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Hm... Don't think we can go further until 317 turns up.

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But this is something Buffy can shed light on. If she got results saying she blocked Ari outright, and 317 says he killed Chris, then Ari is almost certainly scum.

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Hopefull 317 gets here soon!

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JC I believe we are waiting for im317 to show up so he can confirm or deny whether he killed Chris. Ari is our best lead today, and it depends on im's verdict whether we lynch him or not. We can't do much until he shows.

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im317 picked a really good day to not show up! Has anybody seen him viewing the thread? I haven't.

LOOK AT THIS CRAP!

Ari's pretty much screwed at the start of that day. It was VERY obvious that you killed Chris 317, Wikey just kept postponing going for Ari. In the meantime:

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Can't hang around much longer, and I'm not totally sold on anybody. I really don't want to lynch an inactive, so that rules out Jay, Redster and Schraub. I am leaning toward believing all the current claimants for now. I found some of the things JC were saying earlier to be very questionable indeed. I know he usually has some strange theories when town, but he only seemed to add to the confusion today with his scrutiny of the current claimants. He says I am going out of my way to defend 317, Buffy, Rose/Jeff etc...well I say he is going out of his way to attack them. ##Lynch JC.

This was after Ari fake claimed. Wikey says earlier in the day that he's "thinking over" Ari's claim and moves right along to lynching Town JC. In the same post he rules out lynching scum buddy Redster

Then he unlynches, waits for you to show up some more, and quickly moves onto his next target to try to get something going on anyone but Ari:

Wikey @ 2/11/2015 20:54

Someone should tell him he is viewing the wrong thread! There isn't much time left, we need to decide on someone and do so quickly. Can't see the Timmah lynch. Don't think he has done anything particularly scummy, and we'd stand to lose an active contributor. Also, he hasn't disputed the claims anywhere near as much as Canuck and JC. In fact he seems to be leaning towards believing most of them. At the other end of the spectrum, Schrauben is completely inactive...lynching him is a shot in the dark. Canuck is worth considering. He has echoed a lot of the thoughts that made me suspect JC. ##Lynch Canuck

And only then, with his final post of the day after you show up and after Ari is clearly as good as dead, does he lynch Ari

Wikey @ 10/11/2015 18:24

Curtis @ 10/11/2015 19:07 317, if I've been final mafia for awhile, why on earth would I not kill you? At the VERY end of Day 7 you said that you don't trust me at all. If I was Godfather or Mafia poisoner or whatever, I would not risk you attacking me and my team losing that way, it makes absolutely no sense for ScumCurtis to do that, NONE! Ask yourself why it makes sense for anyone to have kept you alive. There's only one reason, because the final mafia member was relatively trusted and was never at risk of you shooting them at night. That person is Wikey. That person is not me I can think of at least two possibilities! 1 - The risk was worth it. 317 could easily whittle down the town if he could be persuaded to continue misfiring. 2 - You would have been worried like all of us that im317 was the SK. You wouldn't want to risk your kill failing due to BP third party at this stage.

1. "The risk was worth it". LOL NOPE. There was a very high chance that he'd kill me. No way I'd risk it. It would've cost my entire team the game and I would've been a moron for it

2. I would've been absolutely fine with a failed kill on 317 because he would've gotten lynched for his survival and I would've made it through another day

Wikey @ 10/11/2015 19:24

Curtis @ 10/11/2015 19:07 317, if I've been final mafia for awhile, why on earth would I not kill you? At the VERY end of Day 7 you said that you don't trust me at all. If I was Godfather or Mafia poisoner or whatever, I would not risk you attacking me and my team losing that way, it makes absolutely no sense for ScumCurtis to do that, NONE! Ask yourself why it makes sense for anyone to have kept you alive. There's only one reason, because the final mafia member was relatively trusted and was never at risk of you shooting them at night. That person is Wikey. That person is not me I can think of at least two possibilities! 1 - The risk was worth it. 317 could easily whittle down the town if he could be persuaded to continue misfiring. 2 - You would have been worried like all of us that im317 was the SK. You wouldn't want to risk your kill failing due to BP third party at this stage.

3 - Calls had been made to im317 to avoid killing that night. You may have been banking on him doing so.

317, please read his posts on D4

http://www.ndimforums.com/fe/thread.asp?threadid=4621&pagenum=1&pp=15&postsby=5

This is an Ari scum buddy, clear as day

Wikey @ 10/11/2015 18:28

Wikey @ 10/11/2015 19:24 Curtis @ 10/11/2015 19:07 317, if I've been final mafia for awhile, why on earth would I not kill you? At the VERY end of Day 7 you said that you don't trust me at all. If I was Godfather or Mafia poisoner or whatever, I would not risk you attacking me and my team losing that way, it makes absolutely no sense for ScumCurtis to do that, NONE! Ask yourself why it makes sense for anyone to have kept you alive. There's only one reason, because the final mafia member was relatively trusted and was never at risk of you shooting them at night. That person is Wikey. That person is not me I can think of at least two possibilities! 1 - The risk was worth it. 317 could easily whittle down the town if he could be persuaded to continue misfiring. 2 - You would have been worried like all of us that im317 was the SK. You wouldn't want to risk your kill failing due to BP third party at this stage. 3 - Calls had been made to im317 to avoid killing that night. You may have been banking on him doing so.

Not in a million years would I bank on something like that. Or bank on 317 deciding to kill someone who wasn't me, one of his top targets. That is a risk that 1. I would never take. 2. Would never be worth me taking

But someone who wasn't in danger of being shot by 317 at night? AH! Now there's someone who gained from taking that risk!

Why was it certain that im317 killed Chris?

The only ones who would know for sure from the get go would be scum themselves...which again, is why I find your vote for early vote for Ari most suspicious. You also unlynched Ari after he claimed, so I'm not sure how you can cite that as evidence against me.

It wasn't an unbelievable claim either, given that we had seen no evidence of a third party existing.

If waiting for proper confirmation on something as important as a roleblock makes me scummy, then you guys can go ahead and lynch me. im317 was BOUND to show up at some point...he took his time about it but I was sure he would.

I think you are overplaying just how much im317 wanted to shoot you, but he will know better than me!

Wikey @ 10/11/2015 18:35

Why was it certain that im317 killed Chris?

Because he said numerous times that he was most suspicious of Chris during the tie vote stuff between him and Buffy. I believe Chris was his top suspect but he only went for Buffy to try to break the tie

Wikey @ 10/11/2015 18:36

I think you are overplaying just how much im317 wanted to shoot you, but he will know better than me!

im317 @ 8/11/2015 12:34

Curtis @ 8/11/2015 13:32 Why Herm over Ben? Herm has a claim that fits godfather. also i dont trust you

This was how he ended the day. I thought for sure he'd be killing me that night. There's just no way that I would kill CANUCK over a claimed Town Vig who ended the day saying they didn't trust me. There's no way you can possibly twist this to make MafiaCurtis make sense in this scenario