Yup, AFFC is like 50/50 between new POVs and some returning POVs. All of the POVs are back by the end of ADWD though

there are some who are in AFFC but not ADWD, too.

Thanks. :-)

And I just watched the fourth season trailer under the impression that I was caught up, since someone told me that ASoSI:SaS was season 3, and ASoSII:BaG was season 4. But then I hear a character say this:

Spoiler	+
Robb Stark is dead.

Kind of a bummer that yet another death is spoiled. But I have myself to blame for being so damn curious. Now all I have left is to hope that just like with Irri, that it doesn't happen in the book.

season 4 is basically the end of ASOS (or the entirety of ASOS2, probably..?), but even if you've read that, if you want to avoid spoilers entirely, i wouldn't watch it yet.

they get into some material which reaches even the end of ADWD and even a few things the book readers haven't seen yet. if you don't care TOO much about that stuff, you should be fine watching season 4 after you're completely done with ASOS (1 and 2). the moments that go past ASOS during season 4 aren't really that big of a deal as far as i can remember.

itsbrianyay @ 6/4/2015 8:59

season 4 is basically the end of ASOS (or the entirety of ASOS2, probably..?), but even if you've read that, if you want to avoid spoilers entirely, i wouldn't watch it yet. they get into some material which reaches even the end of ADWD and even a few things the book readers haven't seen yet. if you don't care TOO much about that stuff, you should be fine watching season 4 after you're completely done with ASOS (1 and 2). the moments that go past ASOS during season 4 aren't really that big of a deal as far as i can remember.

ADWD spoilers	+
I'd say the Reek stuff is pretty big. I didn't get to experience it since I was spoiled by the show but I'd imagine seeing him pop up after a 3 book absence was a pretty huge surprise

Boc @ 6/4/2015 21:18

itsbrianyay @ 6/4/2015 8:59 season 4 is basically the end of ASOS (or the entirety of ASOS2, probably..?), but even if you've read that, if you want to avoid spoilers entirely, i wouldn't watch it yet. they get into some material which reaches even the end of ADWD and even a few things the book readers haven't seen yet. if you don't care TOO much about that stuff, you should be fine watching season 4 after you're completely done with ASOS (1 and 2). the moments that go past ASOS during season 4 aren't really that big of a deal as far as i can remember. ADWD spoilers + I'd say the Reek stuff is pretty big. I didn't get to experience it since I was spoiled by the show but I'd imagine seeing him pop up after a 3 book absence was a pretty huge surprise

oh yeah, true.

danny there is something that doesn't happen until book 5 (ADWD) but is featured in season 3, so if you're looking to avoid all show spoilers you're gonna want to read the books.

I'd genuinely just avoid anything to do with the series until you've finished ADWD since they really get ahead of themselves on the show. And by the looks of it, Season 5 is going to overtake ADWD and whatever comes after that will just carry on that trend.

If you want a book experience first, you're basically screwed now which is incredibly annoying. I'd at least recommend finishing ASOS before anything else to do with the show since it's such a rewarding read and the spoilers would ruin it.

Thanks.

And one last thing.

Spoiler	+
I was reading an article about the Sandsnakes that are gonna be in season 5. Which was freaking stupid of me to do. But ofcourse in relation to the sandsnakes I found out about Oberyn's death. And I also found out from a troll on youtube about Tywin's death.

So my question is, do those parts happen in ASoS still, or later on?

And yeah, I've had enough of all these spoilers popping up everywhere because of my stupidity. So I'm gonna dislike all the GoT related pages on FB until I'm caught up. And try not to search up anything in relation to GoT until I'm caught up as well.

Yeah I know your pain. I've had most of the major moments spoiled for me. I think the biggest one that wasn't was

ASOS	+
Oberyn's death, which was an amazing (and also horrifying (: ) experience to watch unspoiled

The internet's a minefield for that stuff if you're reading anything GOT-related. That's part of the reason why I decided to read the books before S5, so I could actually experience the upcoming moments in some medium without being spoiled

And yeah, those are both in ASOS. Believe it or not though those aren't even the biggest moments coming up in that book

Oh that's good to know. Even more big then the red and purple wedding. (I've already read those) 😄

And yeah, the only 3 spoilers I know for AFFC/ADWD are these:

Spoiler	+
Theon's name changes to Reek and he gets his dick cut off. Dany and someone elses pov intertwine during ADWD. The Sand Snakes being badasses

But those aren't even that bad to know, those spoilers are actually spoilers that make me hyped up for what's to come. So I'm excited for that. 😊

Was talking to a friend on FB about ASoIaF, and thought I'd post my thoughts on here as well. So I'm right now around 60% done with ASoSII:BaG. And here are my thoughts on each character. And what my thoughts are on the final battle of the series.

Spoiler

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Bran: Him, Hodor, Jojen and Meera. Ran into Sam and Gilly. And Sam is now taking them somewhere. I totally LOVED that ending of ASoSI with Jon and Bran being so close, but yet so far away. That location of where Bran was was perfectly imprinted in my head, completely my own imaginiation. I loved that part, because it was so tense, and I have no clue of Bran and Jon's fates, so I wasn't spoiled that they were for sure not gonna die like I am with Theon and Sansa. So that made it even more exciting. 😊 I saw that Bran doesn't have any chapters left this book, which is too bad. But I did see that Sam still has 2, which may or may not still feature Bran. But I assume that Bran will be back in AFFC since the title is kind of fitting to his quest to find the three-eyed crow. But I'll just have to wait and see. 😊 Samwell: Him and Gilly escaped the traitors at Craster's Keep, and made their way towards the wall where they ran into some Wights. But were saved by someone who Sam calls 'Coldhands'. Am starting to think it's Benjen. Haha, but I think everyone who's identity isn't known is Benjen, I don't know why. 😜. but later on at the wall, they ran into Bran, Hodor, Jojen and Meera. And is now guiding them beyond the wall. Exciting stuff. I saw that he still has 2 chapters, I assume that the next chapter featuring Sam will show how brings Bran some place, don't know where. And his second and last one for this book would be that he makes it back to Castle Black with Gilly. I like it that Samwell got his own PoV chapters, cause he's cool. 😊 Jon: Jon has already been back at Castle Black for awhile, and I love how he is slowly turning into like the new commander at Castle Black. Especially after his most previous chapter, when the huge wildling army attacked the wall. A very good chapter in my opinion. I saw that Jon still has like 4 chapters, which is freaking crazy considering Davos and Bran don't have any anymore. But I'm def still looking forward to them. I'm excited for Jon and Bran to see each other again. It probably won't happen in this book, but when it does, they better not ruin the moment like they did with The Arya/Catelyn/Robb reunion. That was fucking cruel, haha. And I can see Sam keeping it a secret about Bran when and if Sam returns to Castle Black. Because of course Bran has a mission, and he knows Jon won't let um go further with it if he finds out, being the protective (half) brother that Jon is. So I'll just have to wait and see with that as well. Arya: Wow, how Arya has changed over these books. I personally found her to be the most badass she's ever been in ACoK, but I still like her a lot. But she's also gone through a lot! Arya has been taken by Sandor, and they are traveling... Well I don't know where. Haha, one minute Sandor wants to go to The Vale to bring Arya to Lisa for a prize in return, the next he wants to go to Riverrun to bring Arya to Brynden for a prize in return. And now Arya asked him to travel to The Wall to reunite with Jon Snow. Ofcourse I hope Arya travels to The Wall. I've always loved her bond with Jon and would want nothing else that Arya reunites with him, Arya definitely needs a break from everything. And Jon would be the perfect person to comfort her. But I also heard something (-.-) about her maybe travelling to Braavos... Or that was Sansa, but I think I read Arya's name. But maybe it was with a question mark behind it when I saw the thumbnail on youtube. So yeah, I dunno. Haha, and I don't wanna find out yet. But I do hope that Arya can actually go someplace, and actually MAKE it there. Every single time she wanted to go some place, it has failed: ACoK: Yoren tries to bring her back to Winterfell. -Fails. ACoK: Gendry, Hot Pie and a some other peeps that escaped the Lannisters attack on Yoren travel to Riverrun but then get caught by the goldcloaks and get taken to Harrenhal. -Fails. ACoK: Arya escapes Harrenhal (Jaqen though was a fucking badass. Def my favorite Arya chapters when he was in them). With Hot Pie and Gendry again, and they travel to Riverrun, but get caught by Northernmen, and get taken to Roose Bolton. (The mofo who killed Robb) -Fails ASoS: Escapes Roose Bolton's guys when they try and bring her someplace. And tries to go back to Riverrun. But get's taken by Sandor. -Fails ASoS: Arya and Sandor head towards the Twins, where ofcourse The Red Wedding is being held. 😜. they make it. But not quite. -Fails. Will she ever make it someplace, haha. Jaime: Jaime and Brienne have been together on there way to King's Landing for so long now. Jaime had his hand chopped off whilst on the way. And I was scared he would get that same curse as Arya when he was taken to Harrenhal (having a destination, but never making it). But luckily his most previous chapter showed how he made it safely to King's Landing. I continue to love Jaime and Brienne's weird bond. Jaime is so cute everytime he sticks up for Brienne and outs his worries and fears to her. Kind of like a normal brother/sister type bond. (Kind of ironic seeing as this is Jaime we are talking about.) He just barely didn't make Joffrey's wedding. But right when he made it back to King's Landing, he and Cersei had their little reunion sex right next to Joffrey's coffin, which is like fucked up on so many levels! I am excited to see his recovery and his future while being back in Kings Landing. It's going to be pretty fun to see what'll happen. Tyrion: Poor, poor Tyrion. I really felt bad for him at Joffrey's wedding. Tyrion saved them during The Blackwater Battle, and noone even acknowledges it, and they continue to treat him like shit, which is completely unfair. And now he's even been 'arrested' for suspicion on the murder of Joffrey. Which is also completely fucked up. In ACoK I was finally starting to feel some sympathy for Cersei, and was even growing to love her a little bit, but now that's completely gone. She was being such a petty bitch towards Tyrion. I hope he'll be okay. I know he stays alive for atleast this book, but I don't know what all happens to him. So I'm quite curious, but I hope it's good. And I hope Shae will stay okay as well. Tyrion really can never be himself. Quite sad actually. Sansa: I hated her in AGoT, started to like her more and more ever since she got the letter about the godswood. But still not enough to be anywhere high in any favorites list. But she's been quite entertaining during ASoS, and espcially now that she escaped King's Landing. With Baelish out of all people to be the one behind the plan to save her. Was quite unexpected. Even though I saw a picture a month past of them kissing, haha. I had just assume that Dontos would be Baelish's role for that part in the book. And that they'd axe Dontos' character for the series and mix Dontos into Baelish. But I was obviously wrong. Because Baelish is now bringing Sansa to some place. Sansa says 'home'. So I'm assuming she means Winterfell. I'm excited that she. An finally get some location variaty, I've missed that with Sansa's character. These next few Sansa chapters (which will luckily be 2) are bound to be very entertaining chapters. 😊 Catelyn: Dead. 😞 Her death was sad. The most tragic death I think ever. She had in her mind that all her children were dead. And seeing Robb being killed right in front of her, she really must have lost all hope at that moment. And felt so helpless and painfully sad. And then to have her throat slashed right after that. So fricking sad and tragic. Espicially considering on what a kind person Catelyn actually is. (only with her occasional Jon jabs being quite annoying) but for the rest I really loved her. And was sad to see her being killed off in such a terrible way, espicially because Arya could have brough back so much hope for Catelyn. Arya being that close made it even more sad. So, so, so tragic. Davos: His chapters are very handy to see Stannis and Melisandre's sides of things. I think Melisandre is definitley one of the more interesting characters. So I always enjoy seeing more about her character. And Davos provides that. But Davos is now the Hand of the King (to Stannis). And just barely shipped Edric Storm (which I heard is Gendry in the series) off. Thereby pissing Stannis and Melisandre off. And Melisandre was very worried about the consequences of Davos' actions. I bet we'll see what'll happen soon. Although Davos doesn't have any more chapters this book, which is quite weird. I hope he still has a PoV chapter in the next book. (luckily I have remained unspoiled about PoV characters in AFFC, and I'd like to keep it that way. Haha, just a heads up. :-p) And keeping the best for last: Daenerys: She is fucking awesome. She freed 2 slaver cities, and is getting closer and closer to free and Mereen. And her army continues to get bigger and bigger. And Arstan and Jorah both revealed their secrets to her. Which will probably make her into an even more hard character. 2 of the 3 betrayals have taken place. I was quite worried at the beginning of ASoSI that her side-tracking from going to Pentos would slow down her character even more then her slow chapters in ACoK, but luckily that hasn't been the case. Dany has declared herself a badass, haha. And her reign over the slaving cities really made me love her character even more then I already did. She'll have her army, and will most likely soon be arriving in Pentos. And from there, it's on to Westeros, am so excited. 😊 Here were my thoughts on the final battle: Since Melisandre keeps on talking about 2 sides, I'm thinking the final battle of the series, may even be that what she keeps on talking about. It would make perfect sense (atleast from my point of view at this moment). It having a slow build-up, slowly finding out more and more as you go along, but remaining in the background until the battle for the throne is more calm. Then a new threat will arise, being the lords and gods that Melisandre keeps on talking about. I may also sound pretty stupid right now, but I see that being a pretty awesome final battle. Allard (a friend of mine who only watches the show) thinks the final battle of the series will be Dany trying to take over the throne. But I don't think that's the case, that will still happen. But I don't think the series will end in that note, it would be good arcwise. But I feel it may be a bit predictable if that ends up being the final battle. But who knows, I'm still too early in the series to judge about that. But that's my opinion right now atleast. What'd you think when you were as far as me? 😊

Whoops. Okay this is the last one. I'm really not gonna look at anything GoT related anymore unless it's the books. Like... Seriously. But I have a question if this still happens in A Storm of Swords:

Spoiler	+
Just watched a watchmojo video about top 10 GoT characters. And Petyr was #10. And I saw that he was speaking to Lisa. Lisa confessed to putting something in Jon Arryn's drink before his death. And then Petyr pushes her off something -probably to her death-. So I was wondering if that still happens in ASoS, or later on?

Asos.

Stop doing this to yourself!!!

Just finished A Storm of Swords (only need to read the Epilogue still). Very cool! As you all see I was spoiled by a lot of deaths this book. So I unfortunately couldn't get the full expierence, but I still very much enjoyed it. And a lot of events I didn't see coming which I also really liked. I'll give an explanation of where each PoV character is, and what I think is in store for them in the upcoming books:

Bran Stark

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Bran is now behind the wall. Sam only mentioned a tiny little bit about Bran in his other chapters. So I have absolutely no clue what they are up to. I did hear some stuff about them being captives and shit, but I think the series only did that to kake his parts more entertaining for the series. Kind of like how they did that Pyat Pree and Dany's Dragons in season 2 (A Clash of Kings). But I'll just have to wait and see. Ofcourse I expect he'll still be searching for the crow in AFFC or ADWD, and am anxious to find out what'll happen all then. But yeah, Bran was pretty much a non-entity this book -besides that chapter when he was so close to being with Jon-. But for the rest, I sometimes even forgot about him. And that's not good, espicially how much I loved him in the first one.

Jon Snow

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A lot happened with Jon this book. From being practically a wildling at the beginning of the book, to being Lord Commander of the Night's Watch at the end of it. Ofcourse there is still the promise of Stannis Baratheon of that Jon Snow could become the new Stark of Winterfell if Jon did the stuff Stannis wanted him to. But now ofcourse Jon has different priorities, but it's still something he'd want I imagine. So am excited how they'll handle that in ADWD.

Samwell Tarly	+
Sam has mentally grown this book, he stands up for his rights, and sets goals for himself and achieves them, what he'd def not been able to do in ACoK and AGoT. And his bond with Gilly is way cute. Am also excited to find out what they'll do with him in ADWD. Melisandre has been keeping an eye on him, which is also worrisome. But very interesting too.

Sansa Stark

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Love Sansa. I hated, hated, hated her in AGoT. She was okay in ACoK, but nowhere near likeable, it took me more than the first half of ASoS to get into her character, but after The Purple Wedding and Joffrey's death, her character has stood out. And that chapter where Lysa dies, Sansa was making a snow castle... I think that's foreshadowing.... Or symbolism to somethat that once was. I'll explain both parts: Symoblism: Winterfell was made, and used. Until the ironmen destoryed it. Sansa in this case symbolized the builders, Baelish the user, and Robert the destroyer (the ironmen). Foreshadowing: Jon accepts the offer of Stannis, and starts rebuilding Winterfell. He becomes a leader for quite some time... Until the giants of behind the wall, destoy Winterfell and Jon along with it. Sansa then symbolising Jon, Baelish symbolizing Val. And Robert symbolizing the Giants (his stuffed animal, the one who ruined the snow castle Sansa made was a giant). That would even be more fitting, because it being made out of Snow, symbolizes Jon Snow. More snow falling onto the castle symbolizes the children he'll make with Val. And the snow castle being destroyed then symbolizes Jon and Winterfell going down after it beind made again. Or I'm way overthinking this, but I thought it could be some clever foreshadowing on GRRM's part. Am very anticipated for more Sansa chapters, so that' why I hope she'll be a PoV character in AFFC. I really, really hope that's the case. Because I definitley want to see more of Baelish and the Vale, espcially now that Lysa is dead. Interesting stuff. I love how Baelish just pushed that bitch off, and very ironically Lysa's last words that she heard from Baelish were 'Cat'. Anyone who knows the context of the situation, knows why it's ironic.

Arya Stark	+
She left The Hound, which is sad. As I really loved his character, even before he was travelling with Arya. I think I even made a post on here about how I liked the bond he had with Sansa in King's Landing. But she's now on her way to Braavos... Valar Morghulis.

Catelyn Stark

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Her death was sad. The most tragic death I think ever read. She had in her mind that all her children were dead. And seeing Robb being killed right in front of her, she really must have lost all hope at that moment. And felt so helpless and painfully sad. And then to have her throat slashed right after that. So fricking sad and tragic. Espicially considering on what a kind of person Catelyn actually is. (only with her occasional Jon jabs being quite annoying) but for the rest I really loved her. And was sad to see her being killed off in such a terrible way, espicially because Arya could have brought back so much hope for Catelyn. Arya being that close made it even more sad. So, so, so tragic. Buuuut... Lady fucking Stoneheart. (Youtube trolls)

Jaime Lannister

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I liked his chapters, sometimes they were bland and slow, but Brienne totally saved them, because Brienne is just awesome. What I like most about Jaime is his fair bond with Tyrion. He always treats him fairly, unlike that bitch Cersei. And it was very cool that he helped Tyrion escape death. Now with Tywin dead... Anything is possible with Jaime and Cersei's characters. So a, anxious to find out what'll happen. I also hope along with Sansa, that Jaime will be one of the PoV characters in AFFC.

Tyrion Lannister

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He fucking killed Tywin and Shae at once. He's escaping the city, and most likely on his way to one of the free cities in the East. And then just like with Sansa: Tyrion is on the run from Cersei for being accused of Joffrey's death. If that flower hag, Olega, or whatever. The mom of that flower chick Margarey doesn't confess soon, then I think Cersei will die quite soon. I just have that feeling. And also of that flower hag not confessing, that will lead to a bunch of future books being Tyrion and Sansa on the run. Exciting stuff, Tyrion is also gonna be completely exhausted. Mentally exhausted. He's gone through so much abuse, that poor lil guy. But I can't wait to see what'll happen with him in AFFC and/or ADWD.

Davos Seaworth	+
He's now at the Eastwatch by the Sea together with Stannis' wife Selyse and child Shireen. Davos has proved himself a worthy member in Stannis' trust circle. And I expect a lot of great stuff to happen with the trio of Stannis/Melisandre/Davos. Exciting stuff!

Daenerys Targaryen

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She had taken over Mereen now, was dissapointed with her final chapter. It felt anti-climatic. It didn't deliver any hype like her final chapters usually do. She mentioned staying in Mereen and creating her kingdom there. Which could be interesting if they hadn't teased us with her try'na take over Westeros. But I'm quite sure that'll still happen. But I think she'll let her dragons grow in Mereen and that when they're big nough, she'll go to Westeros without even stopping in Pentos. But yeah, that'll all be discovered in ADWD. But first AFFC. So damn excited!

Here's my list from my most favorite PoV characters to my least favorite (I liked them all, so this list'll be tough):

Rankings	+
1. Jon Snow 2. Arya Stark 3. Daenerys Targaryen 4. Sansa Stark 5. Tyrion Lannister 6. Samwell Tarly 7. Davos Seaworth 8. Jaime Lannister 9. Bran Stark 10. Catelyn Stark

I heard that A Feast for Crows has 12 PoV's... So something I didn't do my last book review, I'll predict who I think will be PoV characters in the next book. Okay so here it goes:

PoV Speculation	+
Sansa Stark Arya Stark Davos Seaworth Cersei Lannister Theon Greyjoy Asha Greyjoy Jaime Lannister Ellaria Sand Nymeria Sand Edmure Tully Loras Tyrell Edric Dayne I'm probably embarrasingly wrong, but I would love these PoV's. (keep in mind that I practically know that Sam, Bran, Jon, Tyrion and Dany don't have PoV chapters this book.)

read the epilogue! it's good!

enjoy AFFC! it's a bit slow, but i really like it. it's got a lot of great POVs, and leaves out some that i don't really care that much about or even actively dislike, so that's nice.

general idea about your guessed list of POVs, nothing specific:

Spoiler	+
you've got a few right, but you're missing one or two key people!