Igor @ 2/11/2017 14:39

Dadd @ 2/11/2017 14:38 Bryce @ 2/11/2017 14:09 What's an SJW? I didn't know either at first. Igor seems to use that term the most. There's a lot of people on this board that like to get offended for the sake of being offended. They don't even know what's so offensive about what they are getting riled up about.

I don't understand why people feel like they need to let everyone know they're offended and that they think somehow people give a shit if they are somehow offended and that they somehow deserve a remedy for the fact that they are offended.

Its literally narcissism run amok.

Chris25 @ 2/11/2017 19:42

Igor @ 2/11/2017 14:39 Dadd @ 2/11/2017 14:38 Bryce @ 2/11/2017 14:09 What's an SJW? I didn't know either at first. Igor seems to use that term the most. There's a lot of people on this board that like to get offended for the sake of being offended. They don't even know what's so offensive about what they are getting riled up about. I don't understand why people feel like they need to let everyone know they're offended and that they think somehow people give a shit if they are somehow offended and that they somehow deserve a remedy for the fact that they are offended. Its literally narcissism run amok.

If we don't we might as well be saying we think that it's okay and that's not right and if it's not right you have to put it right

Chris25 @ 2/11/2017 18:42

Igor @ 2/11/2017 14:39 Dadd @ 2/11/2017 14:38 Bryce @ 2/11/2017 14:09 What's an SJW? I didn't know either at first. Igor seems to use that term the most. There's a lot of people on this board that like to get offended for the sake of being offended. They don't even know what's so offensive about what they are getting riled up about. I don't understand why people feel like they need to let everyone know they're offended and that they think somehow people give a shit if they are somehow offended and that they somehow deserve a remedy for the fact that they are offended. Its literally narcissism run amok.

It's true. Igor was absolutely offended that I said Michael Jackson touched little boys.

Though I've always loved the libertarian/conservative "People shouldn't get offended" crap. After all, if you are soooo for free speech, then why do you want to control how someone else reacts? Isn't that free speech too? Or is it only OK if it is something you get upset about?

Also, I'm hoping this gets moved to Introductions next.

why is this in games?

Is KC playing one again?

Chris25 @ 2/11/2017 19:42

Igor @ 2/11/2017 14:39 Dadd @ 2/11/2017 14:38 Bryce @ 2/11/2017 14:09 What's an SJW? I didn't know either at first. Igor seems to use that term the most. There's a lot of people on this board that like to get offended for the sake of being offended. They don't even know what's so offensive about what they are getting riled up about. I don't understand why people feel like they need to let everyone know they're offended and that they think somehow people give a shit if they are somehow offended and that they somehow deserve a remedy for the fact that they are offended. Its literally narcissism run amok.

No one gives a fuck if you care if they're offended, because no one would expect anything more from you. And by the same token who cares if someone lets everyone know if they're offended by something.

I think a good example is that thread about that new show about the Civil War/slavery. Bunch of people were up in arms when they are not African American and have absolutely no right to say what they should be offended by.

Nofo @ 2/11/2017 18:52

Chris25 @ 2/11/2017 19:42 Igor @ 2/11/2017 14:39 Dadd @ 2/11/2017 14:38 Bryce @ 2/11/2017 14:09 What's an SJW? I didn't know either at first. Igor seems to use that term the most. There's a lot of people on this board that like to get offended for the sake of being offended. They don't even know what's so offensive about what they are getting riled up about. I don't understand why people feel like they need to let everyone know they're offended and that they think somehow people give a shit if they are somehow offended and that they somehow deserve a remedy for the fact that they are offended. Its literally narcissism run amok. If we don't we might as well be saying we think that it's okay and that's not right and if it's not right you have to put it right

But whats "not ok" to you is totally fine to other people.

500 people might be totally fine with a comment or a joke but its incredibly narcissistic for one person to just say "THAT OFFENDS ME" like anyone gives a shit.

I'm 100% sure that there is nothing in the constitution that says you have a right to not be offended nor are there any laws that say that its not ok for people to offend you.

JACK AND JILL WENT UP THE HILL TO FETCH A PAIL OF WATER SO THEY SAY THE SUBSEQUENT FALL WAS INEVITABLE THEY NEVER STOOD A CHANCE THEY WERE WRITTEN THAT WAY INNOCENT VICTIMS OF THEIR STORY LIKE ROMEO AND JULIET IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE STARS BEFORE THEY EVEN MET THAT LOVE AND FATE AND A TOUCH OF STUPIDITY WOULD ROB THEM OF THE HOPE OF EVER LIVING HAPPILY THE ENDINGS ARE OFTEN A LITTLE BIT GORY I WONDER WHY THEY DIDNT JUST CHANGE THEIR STORY WE'RE TOLD WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE'RE TOLD BUT SURELY SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT NORTY JUST BECAUSE YOU FIND THAT LIFES NOT FAIR IT DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU JUST HAVE TO GRIN AND BEAR IT IF YOU ALWAYS TAKE IT ON THE CHIN AND WEAR IT NOTHING WILL CHANGE EVEN IF YOURE LITTLE YOU CAN DO A LOT YOU MUSTNT LET A THING LIKE LITTLE STOP YOU IF YOU SIT AROUND AND LET THEM GET ON TOP YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE SAYING YOU THINK THATS ITS OKAY AND THATS NOT RIGHT CINDERELLA IN THE CELLAR DIDNT HAVE TO DO MUCH AS FAR AS I COULD TELL HER GODMOTHER WAS TWO THIRDS FAIRY SUDDENLY HER LOT WAS A LOT LESS SCARY BUT WHAT IF YOU HAVENT GOT A FAIRY TO FIX IT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF MISCHIEF EVEN IF YOURE LITTLE YOU CAN DO A LOT YOU MUSTNT LET A THING LIKE LITTLE STOP YOU IF YOU SIT AROUND AND LET THEM GET ON TOP YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE SAYING YOU THINK THATS ITS OKAY AND THATS NOT RIGHT AND IF ITS NOT RIGHT YOU HAVE TO PUT IT RIGHT IN THE SLIP OF A BOLT THERES A TINY REVOLT THE SEEDS OF A WAR IN THE CREAK OF A FLOORBOARD A STORM CAN BEGIN WITH THE FLAP OF A WING THE TINIEST MITE PACKS THE MIGHTIEST STING EVERY DAY STARTS WITH THE TICK OF A CLOCK ALL ESCAPES START WITH THE CLICK OF A LOCK IF YOURE STUCK IN YOUR STORY AND WANT TO GET OUT YOU DONT HAVE TO CRY YOU DONT HAVE TO SHOUT CAUSE EVEN IF YOURE LITTLE YOU CAN DO A LOT YOU MUSTNT LET A THING LIKE LITTLE STOP YOU IF YOU SIT AROUND AND LET THEM GET ON TOP YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE SAYING YOU THINK THATS ITS OKAY AND THATS NOT RIGHT AND IF ITS NOT RIGHT YOU HAVE TO PUT IT RIGHT BUT NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA PUT IT RIGHT FOR ME NOBODY BUT ME IS GONNA CHANGE MY STORY SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT NORTY

I think you guys are offended by empathy.

vladykins @ 2/11/2017 18:56

Though I've always loved the libertarian/conservative "People shouldn't get offended" crap. After all, if you are soooo for free speech, then why do you want to control how someone else reacts? Isn't that free speech too? Or is it only OK if it is something you get upset about?

People are allowed to react any way they want to, but most of these people feel like everyone else should care that they're offended but the bottom line is that the vast majority of people could give a flying fuck less.

all straight men are rapists

This topic is roaming the countryside as it sees fit.

@DD, I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't see how bringing up the prospect of false accusations is shifting the focus. With any other crime, it is always considered that the allegations may be false. Why should sexual abuse be the exception?

@Vlady, sorry to hear about your own personal experiences with people who have suffered abuse, that sucks, and I appreciate that you are passionate on this subject.

Your story about the 'huggy' priest reminded me of a teacher I had in high school. It was only one incident, but I remembered it all these years. I was at an end of term celebration or some crap like that, and the teacher in question asked me and my friend if we were gay, given that we spent so much time together. He seemed rather, ahem, interested in our sexuality. I wasn't old enough at the time to appreciate that he was being a creep. But when I found out years later that he was sent to prison for diddling young boys, I can't say I was surprised. What a cunt!

Anyway, now that’s out of the way, I have some issues with some things you have said…

Your claim that every woman on this board will have a story of sexual harassment is rather bold. Though I guess that depends on your definition of harassment.

vladykins @ 2/11/2017 13:48

The only way this gets fixed culturally is if you shine a light on it. No, it's not as simple as "teach not to rape." It goes into our entertainment as well. I have a really hard time with classic horror tropes that focus on women and children being hounded by a killer. It's not only become cliche but it is also disturbing if that is the only way the writers can put across "terror". It also goes into regular shows. I hated so much that Mulder and Scully ever got shipped. The show started with two strong characters, who just happened to be male and female, working together professionally, despite their differences in outlook. The fact they had to develop a romantic element at all is ridiculous- almost like our society can't handle men and women being together professionally without having to jump into the sack. THIS is part of the culture that needs changed,

Come on man, for real? Mulder and Scully getting intimate is part of some great cultural problem? That’s silly. What does that have to do with powerful people committing sexual abuse? Besides, it’s hard to believe we have a cultural problem with the way men and women are portrayed on TV when we have massively popular shows like Orange is the New Black on the air.

But let’s say it is a problem…what exactly would your solution be?

vladykins @ 2/11/2017 13:48

Moreso, if people get punished....really punished, then the #NotAllMen guys who think they are the "nice guy" but treat women differently than they do men may think twice. If the fear of being "falsely accused" creates this much fear in a guy, then imagine what it is like to be a woman deals with fear on an often daily basis. Hell, I imagine most guys on here who are at a bar who have to hit the bathroom get up from their seat, head to the bathroom, (hopefully wash their hands), then return to their drink. They probably have no idea that a woman can't do that- they have to have someone watch their drink while they are gone or get a new drink. Otherwise, someone is gonna slip something in their drink. That's one of the many stories of things that have happened to my wife and she's lucky she had people she trusted with her at the time.

I have not heard of the #NotAllMen guys, so I can't really address your point there.

As for the drink thing...well....if any guy thinks they can leave their drink unattended at a bar, they are stupid. Out of all the dangers women exclusively face you could have picked, I’m surprised you chose that. Men can and have had their drinks spiked.

vladykins @ 2/11/2017 13:58

men do not realize how embedded some of the behavior is. Again, bringing up the UK Defense Minister touching a woman journalist's knee. Dudes say "That's not rape- this is no big deal!" except for the fact that it is. He'd *never* have done that to a dude, ever. And if a dude did it to him, he'd have freaked the fuck out.

Unless of course, the Defense secretary was gay. Then perhaps he would have done that to a dude.

I’m not saying it isn’t sleazy or inappropriate. But it’s not sexual assault, nor harassment. And when you conflate it with something so serious, I think you marginalize real victims.

Some general things:

- Going by the standards of what constitutes sexual harassment to some of you, I’d say women are just as bad as men!

- It would seem some of you think women are incapable of looking after themselves. The idea that a woman has been victimized when a man puts a hand on her knee is ludicrous to me. As far as I’m concerned, women are perfectly capable of looking after themselves in situations like that. Simply tell the guy to fuck off, put him in his place.

- I keep seeing you guys mention the ‘cultural issue’. What is this cultural problem exactly? What needs to change? What about our culture is so awful that needs changing...other than fictional characters fucking each other?