OK back to driving by

Weight, why wouldn’t Rodney just check Cat against his Mason partner?

Actually, maybe two unknowns is better never mind

itsbrianyay @ 15/7/2023 13:52

Weight, why wouldn’t Rodney just check Cat against his Mason partner?

It's the first thing I thought of. I was told no

* Rodney is unrecruitable, this is undisputed
* Rodney claims that Kat and Shadow are different alignments, a claim that is only verifiable by killing both of them
* Rodney claims arguing this would just be a huge distraction and wants to focus discussion on more productive topics. Says "I'm not here to outlast, so if I die, I die. It's whatever, it's only a matter of time at this point. My entire objective here is lead town in the best direction I can before it happens". Proceeds to fight tooth and nail to stay in the game, even though his continued presence would certainly lead to further debate on him
* Rodney proceeds to give vague and incomplete information which only makes him look more suspicious
* Rodney fails to acknowledge that the usefulness of the information he gives is fully dependent on our belief that he isn't scum, which can only be confirmed by his death.

If Rodney was recruited night 1, I'd think the best use of the scanner would be to scan his recruiter (who is known to be safe) and someone else. That way, he would have gotten hard confirmation on someone being scum or not.

If we kill Kat this round and she comes up town, what in the world are we supposed to do next round? Just argue about whether it's Shadow or Rodney? As I stated earlier, the best thing for a town Rodney to do is decide what information to share, do it, accept his death and know that the info will be 100% confirmed upon his death. If he's actually town, that's too bad, but this and debate around him was easily forseeable and will continue if he survives. Rodney's focus on his own survival over clarity for the town is not helping matters. If he is town, he's made some massive tactical blunders this round (frankly, I think he's a better player than that).

Also, Christopher, Rodney says he's offering you a 50-50, but that is of course only true if Rodney is town. Otherwise he's offering a 0-0.

Even if you think there's a 2/3 chance Rodney is town, then he's offering you a 1/3-1/3, while killing him also gives a 1/3. So anything less than 2/3 town odds for Rodney would suggest killing him. (Like, obviously if you think one of Kat/Shadow is more likely, so it's 60-40 or whatever, that changes it, but you get the general point).

Frankly, Rodney is making the argument he thinks is more likely to lead to his own victory. But for Rodney's continued presence to lead to a more likely town victory, he'd 1. Have to be town (obviously) and 2. People would have to unquestionably believe him (which would just be foolish). That suggests he wouldn't benefit from a town victory.

Unless Shadow is Mason burner gas

yeah, so Sami didn't give much outside of that colour-coded list. What are the odds that at least one of those Greenies is a teammate?

Rod
317
Herm
Jamie
Jed

Jed @ 15/7/2023 13:53

which can only be confirmed by his death.

Or... Me being right? I can't imagine I'm getting lynched tomorrow if he votes Kat and she's scum and I don't die tonight

Two of the four Reds she listed are dead and have flipped Town.
Steph and Reaper. That leaves JJ and Brian.

It's possible she just hid her scummates among the orange and yellows.

Jed wants me gone so bad to the point where all of his "logic" centers around a word where we must kill me to verify the scan information I've provided lol. The fact that he is being this analytical yet does not compute a situation where we just believe me is telling. Is it because your team is screwed if we do?

Rodney @ 15/7/2023 13:53

itsbrianyay @ 15/7/2023 13:52 Weight, why wouldn’t Rodney just check Cat against his Mason partner? It's the first thing I thought of. I was told no

told no, by who? or whom? you pick.

catching up

Rodney @ 15/7/2023 14:00

Jed wants me gone so bad to the point where all of his "logic" centers around a word where we must kill me to verify the scan information I've provided lol. The fact that he is being this analytical yet does not compute a situation where we just believe me is telling. Is it because your team is screwed if we do?

but he makes some interesting points. You are fighting tooth and nail to stay in the game while saying that you know you're on borrowed time anyway, etc, etc.
And yes, if we take out Kat or Shadow today and they flip Town, he's correct in that it will be you vs. the other one for the vote. And if you all lynch the other one, that buys you another day as well.

Christian @ 15/7/2023 14:00

Rodney @ 15/7/2023 13:53 itsbrianyay @ 15/7/2023 13:52 Weight, why wouldn’t Rodney just check Cat against his Mason partner? It's the first thing I thought of. I was told no told no, by who? or whom? you pick.

Nav. I'm assuming he didn't account for this scenario. I'm not gonna fight him on the call. It would be OP

Let's get this out of the way.
I hope she wants this!
At the very least, it most likely keeps it out of scum's hands.

##KEVIN Rose