vladykins @ 12/10/2017 11:40

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:31 vladykins @ 12/10/2017 6:10 Curtis @ 11/10/2017 18:37 spindoctor02 @ 11/10/2017 19:31 The restaurant industry has spoken. Hot Dogs are classified as sandwiches. THE ACTUAL HOT DOG INDUSTRY SPOKE AND SAID FUCK NO ITS NOT Mercator @ 11/10/2017 18:39 Most people also think mushrooms are vegetables and are often put under vegetables. Does that make mushrooms vegetables? So illogical Vlady. No, because taxonomically they are different. In fact, you are making my own case for me. The fact that people don't say "hot dog sandwiches" doesn't mean it isn't a sandwich, because it share *all* the characteristics of other things that are indisputably sandwiches. I have also pointed out sandwiches that don't say "sandwich" at the end but nobody argues they aren't sandwiches. In no way did this make your case, are you delusional? You were using pictures of restaurants and links to wikipedia to "science shit up", when it is nothing more than what the masses think, or popular opinion, which is ironic for you to make that mistake when you accused Curtis of it earlier in the thread. No, science has classified mushrooms as fungi. While they may be used as vegetables, that does not make them vegetables, anymore than eating a veggie patty on a burger bun makes that a hamburger. So again- I have provided a definition of sandwich that covers everything that is referred to as a sandwich (outside of flatbread sandwiches). This definition, by it's nature, includes hot dogs. So challenge that. Tell me what is wrong with my definition, which you can only do by providing a characteristic which hot dogs have that doesn't fall into the same as any other sandwich. That's all that needs to be done. What people have done was tried to offer stuff like "You hold a hot dog different", so I proved, using net images, that there are sandwiches held exactly the same way. So this is not a characteristic unique to hot dogs and not in sandwiches. To say that is the defining characteristic is to then throw out a whole class of sandwiches. So I have not appealed to populism- I've proved that this is not a unique characteristic. Again- we have a working definition. Challenge my definition. Come up with something that makes hot dogs different. Alternatively, you can hold to your belief that they are different, no matter how wrong that belief is. Those of us who believe the world is round will be waiting for you to join us.

There is no science behind the classification of sandwiches in the first place.

You can't just say that a sandwich is a baked product, then sliced and something inserted?

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:33

vladykins @ 12/10/2017 11:24 OK, here is my quick definition before I go back to 340B hospitals: A sandwich is the following- A food item made from bread* that has been sliced (partially or completely through) post-baking, allowing a filling to be placed between and/or on top of the slices. * Bread we define as a food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked. Bread can be further divided into the following categories: loaves, round rolls, long rolls/baguettes, crescents, and biscuits. ** **-Flat breads constitute a bread like the above, but their use tends to be different and not requiring slicing, so flat bread sandwiches may not be true sandwiches. Tortillas that are not baked or leavened also do not constitute a bread. So you can't make a sandwich out of two different breads?

You can't grab two loaves and smash them together, no. But if you slice off of one loaf, you can then make an open-faced sandwich. Slice off of two different loaves and you can make a traditional sandwich. But the post-baking slicing is key.

Hell, I can take half a slice of rye and a biscuit and make a sandwich.

Dadd @ 12/10/2017 11:42

You can't just say that a sandwich is a baked product, then sliced and something inserted?

What if you make two small breads, don't slice them and put stuff between them?
That is not a sandwich according to Vlady's definition.

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:44

Dadd @ 12/10/2017 11:42 You can't just say that a sandwich is a baked product, then sliced and something inserted? What if you make two small breads, don't slice them and put stuff between them? That is not a sandwich according to Vlady's definition.

Now you're just being silly.

And what would that be?

vladykins @ 12/10/2017 11:43

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:33 vladykins @ 12/10/2017 11:24 OK, here is my quick definition before I go back to 340B hospitals: A sandwich is the following- A food item made from bread* that has been sliced (partially or completely through) post-baking, allowing a filling to be placed between and/or on top of the slices. * Bread we define as a food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked. Bread can be further divided into the following categories: loaves, round rolls, long rolls/baguettes, crescents, and biscuits. ** **-Flat breads constitute a bread like the above, but their use tends to be different and not requiring slicing, so flat bread sandwiches may not be true sandwiches. Tortillas that are not baked or leavened also do not constitute a bread. So you can't make a sandwich out of two different breads? You can't grab two loaves and smash them together, no. But if you slice off of one loaf, you can then make an open-faced sandwich. Slice off of two different loaves and you can make a traditional sandwich. But the post-baking slicing is key. Hell, I can take half a slice of rye and a biscuit and make a sandwich.

An open faced sandwich isn't a sandwich by any definition, it's only a sandwich in name (in English).

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:42

vladykins @ 12/10/2017 11:40 Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:31 vladykins @ 12/10/2017 6:10 Curtis @ 11/10/2017 18:37 spindoctor02 @ 11/10/2017 19:31 The restaurant industry has spoken. Hot Dogs are classified as sandwiches. THE ACTUAL HOT DOG INDUSTRY SPOKE AND SAID FUCK NO ITS NOT Mercator @ 11/10/2017 18:39 Most people also think mushrooms are vegetables and are often put under vegetables. Does that make mushrooms vegetables? So illogical Vlady. No, because taxonomically they are different. In fact, you are making my own case for me. The fact that people don't say "hot dog sandwiches" doesn't mean it isn't a sandwich, because it share *all* the characteristics of other things that are indisputably sandwiches. I have also pointed out sandwiches that don't say "sandwich" at the end but nobody argues they aren't sandwiches. In no way did this make your case, are you delusional? You were using pictures of restaurants and links to wikipedia to "science shit up", when it is nothing more than what the masses think, or popular opinion, which is ironic for you to make that mistake when you accused Curtis of it earlier in the thread. No, science has classified mushrooms as fungi. While they may be used as vegetables, that does not make them vegetables, anymore than eating a veggie patty on a burger bun makes that a hamburger. So again- I have provided a definition of sandwich that covers everything that is referred to as a sandwich (outside of flatbread sandwiches). This definition, by it's nature, includes hot dogs. So challenge that. Tell me what is wrong with my definition, which you can only do by providing a characteristic which hot dogs have that doesn't fall into the same as any other sandwich. That's all that needs to be done. What people have done was tried to offer stuff like "You hold a hot dog different", so I proved, using net images, that there are sandwiches held exactly the same way. So this is not a characteristic unique to hot dogs and not in sandwiches. To say that is the defining characteristic is to then throw out a whole class of sandwiches. So I have not appealed to populism- I've proved that this is not a unique characteristic. Again- we have a working definition. Challenge my definition. Come up with something that makes hot dogs different. Alternatively, you can hold to your belief that they are different, no matter how wrong that belief is. Those of us who believe the world is round will be waiting for you to join us. There is no science behind the classification of sandwiches in the first place.

Science is all about classification. building taxonomies based on observable characteristics is the basis of much of physical science. How do I know you are an animal and not a protozoa? Classification based on observable characteristics. How do I know a rock is igneous or sedimentary? How do I know what atoms make up a molecule?

I could go on, but I think I make my point.

What are debating anyways with that scenario? You've been saying it has to be two pieces of sliced bread. So now you're wanting to go to 0 slices?

Vlady

You can't grab two loaves and smash them together, no.

Why not? Why do you get to choose if this is a sandwich or not?

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:46

vladykins @ 12/10/2017 11:43 Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:33 vladykins @ 12/10/2017 11:24 OK, here is my quick definition before I go back to 340B hospitals: A sandwich is the following- A food item made from bread* that has been sliced (partially or completely through) post-baking, allowing a filling to be placed between and/or on top of the slices. * Bread we define as a food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked. Bread can be further divided into the following categories: loaves, round rolls, long rolls/baguettes, crescents, and biscuits. ** **-Flat breads constitute a bread like the above, but their use tends to be different and not requiring slicing, so flat bread sandwiches may not be true sandwiches. Tortillas that are not baked or leavened also do not constitute a bread. So you can't make a sandwich out of two different breads? You can't grab two loaves and smash them together, no. But if you slice off of one loaf, you can then make an open-faced sandwich. Slice off of two different loaves and you can make a traditional sandwich. But the post-baking slicing is key. Hell, I can take half a slice of rye and a biscuit and make a sandwich. An open faced sandwich isn't a sandwich by any definition, it's only a sandwich in name (in English).

Indian Taco?

Dadd @ 12/10/2017 11:45

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:44 Dadd @ 12/10/2017 11:42 You can't just say that a sandwich is a baked product, then sliced and something inserted? What if you make two small breads, don't slice them and put stuff between them? That is not a sandwich according to Vlady's definition. Now you're just being silly. And what would that be?

Do I have to make it because you can't imagine it?

It would probably be a delicious sandwich.

Mercator @ 12/10/2017 13:44

Dadd @ 12/10/2017 11:42 You can't just say that a sandwich is a baked product, then sliced and something inserted? What if you make two small breads, don't slice them and put stuff between them? That is not a sandwich according to Vlady's definition.

As a baker, I wouldn't recommend it, since your filling would fall out. So what you would have made is a mess.

You old men eat poop sandwiches

Bryce @ 12/10/2017 13:46

Vlady You can't grab two loaves and smash them together, no. Why not? Why do you get to choose if this is a sandwich or not?

I explained that right above.

Also, I am one of the few bakers here. Wikey can come in and discuss.

Igor @ 12/10/2017 14:47

You old men eat poop sandwiches

You tell em, Igor!!!