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Chris25
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| Post #211: 28th Jan 2015 1:26 AM | |
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a woman gets fucking wasted to the point where she can't even speak and some guy has sex with her. That's taking advantage of them. Bringing up a separate example doesn't change that fact. This isn't about some girl making up a rape lie to excuse some sex she had.
You say drunk guy and drunk girl but that's not even always the case. Would it matter to you if the guy had full control of his motor functions and reasoning skills and she could barely stand up or is a yes a yes for you? |
We're obviously talking about two completely different scenarios.
This is a complex issue specifically because there are so many little things and small details that can come into play and the same situation could possibly never play out the same way twice.
I don't think this is a black and white issue and we can go back and forth all night changing small details of the story to twist the scenario to make our argument.
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I agree that it isn't black and white but that's exactly why I was against the blanketed statement of drunk consent = consent. It turns from a he said she said into a he said That she said but she doesn't remember... which to me is a situation that nobody wants to be put into (unless that's what they were aiming for) |
The thing is that if you are responsible for yourself, if you put yourself into a state where you can't control yourself intentionally, it was your choice and you are responsible. |
Stop it Merc, you make too much sense. Your logic is threatening to Social Justice Warriors everywhere and you must be stopped | | |
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JJ
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| Post #212: 28th Jan 2015 1:29 AM | |
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Man the 49ers really blew it this year eh?
Like of all the years this was the one they should have gone to the super bowl. |
Look. Accusing women of lying about rape is one thing but keep your filthy 49ers talk out of here. | | |
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JJ
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| Post #213: 28th Jan 2015 1:31 AM | |
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a woman gets fucking wasted to the point where she can't even speak and some guy has sex with her. That's taking advantage of them. Bringing up a separate example doesn't change that fact. This isn't about some girl making up a rape lie to excuse some sex she had.
You say drunk guy and drunk girl but that's not even always the case. Would it matter to you if the guy had full control of his motor functions and reasoning skills and she could barely stand up or is a yes a yes for you? |
We're obviously talking about two completely different scenarios.
This is a complex issue specifically because there are so many little things and small details that can come into play and the same situation could possibly never play out the same way twice.
I don't think this is a black and white issue and we can go back and forth all night changing small details of the story to twist the scenario to make our argument.
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I agree that it isn't black and white but that's exactly why I was against the blanketed statement of drunk consent = consent. It turns from a he said she said into a he said That she said but she doesn't remember... which to me is a situation that nobody wants to be put into (unless that's what they were aiming for) |
The thing is that if you are responsible for yourself, if you put yourself into a state where you can't control yourself intentionally, it was your choice and you are responsible. |
This is the definition of trivializing. This is not about being drunk. | | |
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Natalie
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| Post #214: 28th Jan 2015 6:03 AM | |
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| I was talking about the issues you, Kiwi, Natalie, Boc, and Curtis bring up constantly. "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MENZZZZZZZZ" |
While I appreciate that you've listed me among good company, pretty sure my one comment hardly qualifies as constantly. I believe very few here know my true opinion of how men and women are treated.
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| Natalie said that cops will believe the woman. |
Also, please note, no where did I say cops.
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| Sometimes these debates are a nice change from the FE norm, but you lose me when it turns into trying to undermine one another and trivialize the other side. Rape and false accusations are serious issues that can and will ruin people's lives. |
Well said!
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NDIMCOP
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| Post #215: 28th Jan 2015 6:27 AM | |
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Korru
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| Post #216: 28th Jan 2015 6:31 AM | |
Shiiiit it's NDIMCOP, let's take our bullshit and hightail out of here. | | |
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NDIMTHUG
Tree Stump
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| Post #217: 28th Jan 2015 6:41 AM | |
Execute Intimidate.exe
HA HA HA HA YOU HAVE FAILED NDIMCOP
THE ANGRY HORDES HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. THE FLAME WAR HAS BEEN PROVOKED
HA HA HA HA HA
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN | | |
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Nofo
The Butcher
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| Post #218: 28th Jan 2015 6:43 AM | |
Please stop korr. | | nav is ugly and i am pretty |
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NDIMVENDOR
Tree Stump
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| Post #219: 28th Jan 2015 6:58 AM | |
Hello would you like to buy some FLOWERS? | | |
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Kiwi
Detective Bollig
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| Post #221: 28th Jan 2015 5:39 PM | |
Although I have not read a single post in this thread properly for obvious reasons, what do the keyboard warriors in this thread think is higher. The percentage of unreported male rapes or the percentage of unreported female rapes?
Something to think about anyhow... | | |
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Nofo
The Butcher
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| Post #222: 28th Jan 2015 5:43 PM | |
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Although I have not read a single post in this thread properly for obvious reasons, what do the keyboard warriors in this thread think is higher. The percentage of unreported male rapes or the percentage of unreported female rapes?
Something to think about anyhow... |
Men are less likely to report all forms of sexual assault and it is a HUGE problem in society. This is me speaking from experience here. | | nav is ugly and i am pretty |
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Chris25
Head of Human Resources
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| Post #223: 28th Jan 2015 5:45 PM | |
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Although I have not read a single post in this thread properly for obvious reasons, what do the keyboard warriors in this thread think is higher. The percentage of unreported male rapes or the percentage of unreported female rapes?
Something to think about anyhow... |
Men are less likely to report all forms of sexual assault and it is a HUGE problem in society. This is me speaking from experience here. |
Is this you reporting to the FE authorities that you are a victim of sexual assault?
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Nofo
The Butcher
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| Post #224: 28th Jan 2015 5:46 PM | |
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Although I have not read a single post in this thread properly for obvious reasons, what do the keyboard warriors in this thread think is higher. The percentage of unreported male rapes or the percentage of unreported female rapes?
Something to think about anyhow... |
Men are less likely to report all forms of sexual assault and it is a HUGE problem in society. This is me speaking from experience here. |
Is this you reporting to the FE authorities that you are a victim of sexual assault?
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k shut the fuck up. let's be adults here kty | | nav is ugly and i am pretty |
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Shadow
Mr. Cat
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| Post #225: 28th Jan 2015 5:54 PM | |
Look who you're talking to
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