And I didn't vote until today so saying first two is kind of ......I don't know how to word it tbh. Not like I hopped on immediately

vladykins @ 23/5/2017 15:44

I'm still trying to figure out the "gone" aspect, since if redirected to someone else or a bussing situation, it shouldn't be "gone", unless that's just flavor for going to someone it shouldn't have?

This line of thinking was what made me originally think of my theory.

In Zelda mafia, if people were to have received a role report that was destroyed by you, they were told that they received a report but it was burned away. I intentionally tried to leave it ambiguous so town would have more to discuss. So while it could just be flavor, there could also be more to it.

Saying that the item was 'gone' may have been worded that way to insure that town didn't get too much free information of any particular role as existing. It looks like Jamie/Christian put a lot of thought into leaving claim space open because they have decided to save some of certain role flips as information that gets revealed at end of game - I think it'll make for a fun end game.

Angi @ 23/5/2017 15:48

vladykins @ 23/5/2017 15:44 I'm still trying to figure out the "gone" aspect, since if redirected to someone else or a bussing situation, it shouldn't be "gone", unless that's just flavor for going to someone it shouldn't have? Redirect might be the worst word choice I chose. It never reached Primate and I didn't get it back. But I was successful in sending it. So I wasn't blocked from what I can tell. What happened to it.......won't know until the game is over

Yeah, the roleblocking flavor was that someone would "sleep" with you so that wouldn't match up if it says that you sent it and it just disappeared into the shadow realm.

But, it seems odd that there is a role that can send items into the shadow realm. Unless they passed it to the person who died? But, I feel like it wouldn't come back to you that it just disappeared. Something seems off about this role unless something was just misinterpreted along the way.

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Zach: I'm not really sure what to think here. Your defense was pretty weak when it came, but that could also mean that you really don't have any reason to believe why the mafia was coming after you.

I do have another theory, but delving into it hurts the town more than it helps and has a pretty good chance of not being the case. But I'll share if it becomes apparent that I have to.

Angi @ 23/5/2017 15:48

vladykins @ 23/5/2017 15:44 I'm still trying to figure out the "gone" aspect, since if redirected to someone else or a bussing situation, it shouldn't be "gone", unless that's just flavor for going to someone it shouldn't have? Redirect might be the worst word choice I chose. It never reached Primate and I didn't get it back. But I was successful in sending it. So I wasn't blocked from what I can tell. What happened to it.......won't know until the game is over

Given the D1 indications that you were sending, a redirect makes more sense than a bussing, but I guess either one could still be in play.

Look.......if the only options you have are just people you're unsure of......and think we might be town but don't know.......then lynch me. I'm vanilla now. I'm a good vote. I'm extremely active. I'm vocal. But my role is gone so I'm not important if there's a chance the only options are all town.

Zach.....I think you're going to have to say something g to clear yourself.

If not one of us three......who else has looked suspicious? I'm of course going to try my best to stay in the game so don't take this as not playing to my win condition because I am 100_ town and want to stay in the game but in the whole scheme of things......I don't want to lose a town member with a food role. It's 5pm. We need a good solid suspect

Something that makes me believe Zach is that he claimed to have no night actions. I feel like as a mafia member, he'd claim to have something that was a town role that is easy to hide behind or the town version of whatever his scum role would be. I feel like he knows he could be easily watched for claiming something like that.

Josh @ 23/5/2017 16:01

Something that makes me believe Zach is that he claimed to have no night actions. I feel like as a mafia member, he'd claim to have something that was a town role that is easy to hide behind or the town version of whatever his scum role would be. I feel like he knows he could be easily watched for claiming something like that.

Watcher is dead. What about tracker? Scum can also not go out as well btw

Angi @ 23/5/2017 16:03

Josh @ 23/5/2017 16:01 Something that makes me believe Zach is that he claimed to have no night actions. I feel like as a mafia member, he'd claim to have something that was a town role that is easy to hide behind or the town version of whatever his scum role would be. I feel like he knows he could be easily watched for claiming something like that. Watcher is dead. What about tracker? Scum can also not go out as well btw

Yeah, I'd say Tracker and there have been hints about a role that is able to see what PMs someone sends out. So, I think that Zach would be smarter than to claim that he just does nothing.

And while I know that scum can just do nothing in a night, I feel like with losing two scum back-to-back, they wouldn't risk wasting an entire night of doing nothing just to try and get a day or two of clearance. I could be wrong but it just seems counter-intuitive for them at this point.

Angi @ 23/5/2017 16:03

Josh @ 23/5/2017 16:01 Something that makes me believe Zach is that he claimed to have no night actions. I feel like as a mafia member, he'd claim to have something that was a town role that is easy to hide behind or the town version of whatever his scum role would be. I feel like he knows he could be easily watched for claiming something like that. Watcher is dead. What about tracker? Scum can also not go out as well btw

Mafia had a tracker, so they potentially have a watcher as well. We haven't seen a plain vanilla mafia goon yet. Doesn't mean they aren't there.

Angi I think if it's not one of us, we should go for a low contributor. I feel like this thread in particular has been the same 8 or so people squabbling, while the rest either barely post or don't post at all.

If the flavor post was from a scum source like I think it is, then they're probably just coasting by and not stirring the pot much because I'm essentially the default lynch right now.

I think the biggest reason that a Zach lynch benefits town is that we learn whether the beginning of day messages are legit. And if they ARE legit, that person is able to continue scum hunting and potentially reveal info without putting themselves in danger (it also helps that DS is dead so they are far likely to be outed for no reason).

So unless Zach has something pretttttttttty persuasive to say... that's probably where my vote is staying.

Josh @ 23/5/2017 16:05

Angi @ 23/5/2017 16:03 Josh @ 23/5/2017 16:01 Something that makes me believe Zach is that he claimed to have no night actions. I feel like as a mafia member, he'd claim to have something that was a town role that is easy to hide behind or the town version of whatever his scum role would be. I feel like he knows he could be easily watched for claiming something like that. Watcher is dead. What about tracker? Scum can also not go out as well btw Yeah, I'd say Tracker and there have been hints about a role that is able to see what PMs someone sends out. So, I think that Zach would be smarter than to claim that he just does nothing. And while I know that scum can just do nothing in a night, I feel like with losing two scum back-to-back, they wouldn't risk wasting an entire night of doing nothing just to try and get a day or two of clearance. I could be wrong but it just seems counter-intuitive for them at this point.

Scum didn't know they were losing two back to back- they had no reason to think they would lose Patrick, right?

BadgerMcBeaver @ 23/5/2017 16:07

I think the biggest reason that a Zach lynch benefits town is that we learn whether the beginning of day messages are legit. And if they ARE legit, that person is able to continue scum hunting and potentially reveal info without putting themselves in danger (it also helps that DS is dead so they are far likely to be outed for no reason). So unless Zach has something pretttttttttty persuasive to say... that's probably where my vote is staying.

At this point, I tend to agree with this. I leave for home soon, which means my vote comes soon.

Primate @ 23/5/2017 11:10

Mercator @ 22/5/2017 23:15 BadgerMcBeaver @ 22/5/2017 22:06 Alright, just caught myself up, including yesterday's threads. Here are some of my thoughts: - I have no idea why the discussion about Mitten's Night 1 action was so heavily discussed in day 2. I got the impression it was a few townies getting sidetrack and tunneling on the subject, but there could be more to it. Scum could have been perpetuating it because for the most part, it was pretty pointless. But I do think there is some validity to the line of thought that mafia would probably be aware of the fact that Mittens was telling the truth and decided to try and gain town cred by defending him. - Not seeing why people are rushing to call Merc scummy this game. To me it looks like he's actively scum hunting. This is the towniest read I think I've ever had on him. - I think I believe Angi's claim, but interested to hear what Tib has to say about it. - Herm feels scummy to me this game. That's true of almost every game, but I'm still going to make note of it. - Brian and Rose have barely posted at all. Wouldn't mind seeing some pressure on them soon. Especially Brian, because he tends to show up when he's in danger. - Unsure what to make of the Zach thing, but I think I'm leaning towards believing the Day thread message at the moment? Nothing he's doing seems particularly scummy, but it's too significant of a lead to ignore. Point 1 and 2 tie together, TIB and a few others were trying to go for town cred and trying to lynch me at the same time, fairly obvious since he seems to refuse to acknowledge what I was saying about Mittens, repeatedly. The thing about that is that you were 100% wrong about the DS role. The role doesn't read the way you said it did at all. Assuming an unstoppable would be announced would require you to assume they would also be stopped. It doesn't matter how loud or repetitive you are about that, you still read that role wrong in every possible way. I can't speak for TIB, but I think you look scummy for that. A townie, who is not DS would likely be able to admit they were wrong instead of attacking those who read the role correctly.

Why do you say that I was wrong, I came to the conclusion that it had to be a untrackable, unblockable attack or Mittens did it, nothing has come up that shows otherwise?

Something's iffy

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