I WANNA ACCUSE THIS THREAD OF RAPE SO IT CAN BE LOCKED AWAY FOREVER

Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 1:38

Malion @ 28/1/2015 0:12 a woman gets fucking wasted to the point where she can't even speak and some guy has sex with her. That's taking advantage of them. Bringing up a separate example doesn't change that fact. This isn't about some girl making up a rape lie to excuse some sex she had. You say drunk guy and drunk girl but that's not even always the case. Would it matter to you if the guy had full control of his motor functions and reasoning skills and she could barely stand up or is a yes a yes for you? We're obviously talking about two completely different scenarios. This is a complex issue specifically because there are so many little things and small details that can come into play and the same situation could possibly never play out the same way twice. I don't think this is a black and white issue and we can go back and forth all night changing small details of the story to twist the scenario to make our argument.

I agree that it isn't black and white but that's exactly why I was against the blanketed statement of drunk consent = consent. It turns from a he said she said into a he said That she said but she doesn't remember... which to me is a situation that nobody wants to be put into (unless that's what they were aiming for)

Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 1:46

Nofo ☭ @ 28/1/2015 0:32 False rape accusations aren't an epidemic. Rape is an epidemic. DO NOT FOR A SECOND THINK THAT THE FEW MEN HURT BY THE ACTIONS OF FEW WOMEN OUTWEIGHS THE ACTUAL VICTIMS OF RAPE. This isnt a balancing act, injustice is injustice and each instance, whether its a girl getting raped and nobody believing her or a man going to prison because some crazy bitch lied for 10 years, IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRAGEDY EITHER WAY. And what you guys are saying is that we need to cast a very wide net, and if a girl accuses a guy of rape then we should charge and convict everyone and if one or two innocent guys have their lives ruined then "oh well, thats the price guys pay for having a dick" Thats not how the justice system is built in this country and its absolute fucking bullshit.

Who said that? Who has said anything like this in this thread?

Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 0:46

Nofo ☭ @ 28/1/2015 0:32 False rape accusations aren't an epidemic. Rape is an epidemic. DO NOT FOR A SECOND THINK THAT THE FEW MEN HURT BY THE ACTIONS OF FEW WOMEN OUTWEIGHS THE ACTUAL VICTIMS OF RAPE. This isnt a balancing act, injustice is injustice and each instance, whether its a girl getting raped and nobody believing her or a man going to prison because some crazy bitch lied for 10 years, IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRAGEDY EITHER WAY. And what you guys are saying is that we need to cast a very wide net, and if a girl accuses a guy of rape then we should charge and convict everyone and if one or two innocent guys have their lives ruined then "oh well, thats the price guys pay for having a dick" Thats not how the justice system is built in this country and its absolute fucking bullshit.

Now who's twisting the argument to fit into their scenario? You posted in this thread just to be a dick and make some blanket statement that women lie about rape ALLLL the time. Not true.

Nofo ☭ @ 28/1/2015 0:47

Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 1:46 This isnt a balancing act, injustice is injustice and each instance, whether its a girl getting raped and nobody believing her or a man going to prison because some crazy bitch lied for 10 years, IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRAGEDY EITHER WAY. And what you guys are saying is that we need to cast a very wide net, and if a girl accuses a guy of rape then we should charge and convict everyone and if one or two innocent guys have their lives ruined then "oh well, thats the price guys pay for having a dick" Thats not how the justice system is built in this country and its absolute fucking bullshit. Who said that? Who has said anything like this in this thread?

Nofo ☭ @ 28/1/2015 0:32

False rape accusations aren't an epidemic. Rape is an epidemic. DO NOT FOR A SECOND THINK THAT THE FEW MEN HURT BY THE ACTIONS OF FEW WOMEN OUTWEIGHS THE ACTUAL VICTIMS OF RAPE.

JJ @ 28/1/2015 0:49

Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 0:46 Nofo ☭ @ 28/1/2015 0:32 False rape accusations aren't an epidemic. Rape is an epidemic. DO NOT FOR A SECOND THINK THAT THE FEW MEN HURT BY THE ACTIONS OF FEW WOMEN OUTWEIGHS THE ACTUAL VICTIMS OF RAPE. This isnt a balancing act, injustice is injustice and each instance, whether its a girl getting raped and nobody believing her or a man going to prison because some crazy bitch lied for 10 years, IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRAGEDY EITHER WAY. And what you guys are saying is that we need to cast a very wide net, and if a girl accuses a guy of rape then we should charge and convict everyone and if one or two innocent guys have their lives ruined then "oh well, thats the price guys pay for having a dick" Thats not how the justice system is built in this country and its absolute fucking bullshit. Now who's twisting the argument to fit into their scenario? You posted in this thread just to be a dick and make some blanket statement that women lie about rape ALLLL the time. Not true.

I never said it happens all the time, but i do think its a serious problem and honestly we don't know how often it happens because there are men in prison right now due to false rape accusations and noone knows except the chick and the dude in jail

Curtis @ 28/1/2015 0:47

I WANNA ACCUSE THIS THREAD OF RAPE SO IT CAN BE LOCKED AWAY FOREVER

This is what happens when Chris takes a vacation day

Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 1:49

Nofo ☭ @ 28/1/2015 0:47 Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 1:46 This isnt a balancing act, injustice is injustice and each instance, whether its a girl getting raped and nobody believing her or a man going to prison because some crazy bitch lied for 10 years, IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRAGEDY EITHER WAY. And what you guys are saying is that we need to cast a very wide net, and if a girl accuses a guy of rape then we should charge and convict everyone and if one or two innocent guys have their lives ruined then "oh well, thats the price guys pay for having a dick" Thats not how the justice system is built in this country and its absolute fucking bullshit. Who said that? Who has said anything like this in this thread? Nofo ☭ @ 28/1/2015 0:32 False rape accusations aren't an epidemic. Rape is an epidemic. DO NOT FOR A SECOND THINK THAT THE FEW MEN HURT BY THE ACTIONS OF FEW WOMEN OUTWEIGHS THE ACTUAL VICTIMS OF RAPE.

That's not what I meant and you fucking know it. I meant that you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that a woman who says she was raped is lying and that these women are more evil than men who rape.

I was talking about the issues you, Kiwi, Natalie, Boc, and Curtis bring up constantly. "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MENZZZZZZZZ"

I most certainly do not

Curtis @ 28/1/2015 0:47

I WANNA ACCUSE THIS THREAD OF RAPE SO IT CAN BE LOCKED AWAY FOREVER

This thread will never get a fair trial! :P

Ok a lot of women are raped and don't report it because it's a traumatic experience and they don't want to have their personal lives drug through the mud just for a chance that this guy could get some semblance of Jail time... but... BUT... what about the women who are mean and go through all of that just to fuck this one guy over in particular? What about that guy? THOSE GUYS. I'm sorry but if taking rape claims more seriously means we'll get more of those guys then it's not worth it. I don't want to go through life and fear that the woman next to me on the sidewalk, the elevator, the parking garage is going to claim I raped her!... that would be a horrifying experience... they'll say I was dressed like a rapist or that I was implying it with my body language or that I didn't say I wasn't going to rape them so it's pretty much the same thing. What a terrible way to live women just don't understand what we men will have to go through on a day-to-day basis.

Man the 49ers really blew it this year eh?
Like of all the years this was the one they should have gone to the super bowl.

Sometimes these debates are a nice change from the FE norm, but you lose me when it turns into trying to undermine one another and trivialize the other side. Rape and false accusations are serious issues that can and will ruin people's lives.

Malion @ 27/1/2015 21:47

Chris25 @ 28/1/2015 1:38 Malion @ 28/1/2015 0:12 a woman gets fucking wasted to the point where she can't even speak and some guy has sex with her. That's taking advantage of them. Bringing up a separate example doesn't change that fact. This isn't about some girl making up a rape lie to excuse some sex she had. You say drunk guy and drunk girl but that's not even always the case. Would it matter to you if the guy had full control of his motor functions and reasoning skills and she could barely stand up or is a yes a yes for you? We're obviously talking about two completely different scenarios. This is a complex issue specifically because there are so many little things and small details that can come into play and the same situation could possibly never play out the same way twice. I don't think this is a black and white issue and we can go back and forth all night changing small details of the story to twist the scenario to make our argument. I agree that it isn't black and white but that's exactly why I was against the blanketed statement of drunk consent = consent. It turns from a he said she said into a he said That she said but she doesn't remember... which to me is a situation that nobody wants to be put into (unless that's what they were aiming for)

The thing is that if you are responsible for yourself, if you put yourself into a state where you can't control yourself intentionally, it was your choice and you are responsible.