I don't understand how a Backup Vig can also be a Mason Traitor, but maybe I'm crossing into unknown areas of mafia here.

Angi, what you doing in the background all of a sudden in my profile pic? Mafia Stalker much?

I also noticed that I had a hat. I got style.

and I thought yesterday was dramatic

According to my calculations, D4 is gonna be a circus.

The ONLY way I think Boc is scum is if he has a side objective and wins if he kills his team. That was exactly how it worked in Boc's GTA Mafia that he mentioned earlier, I was part of a three person Mason but was a mole and had to kill the other two. I saw an opportunity to strike hard against a fellow Mason member in the thread and went with it

Could very well be what Boc is doing right now, because I don't believe for a second that there's Town Mason Vic and Town Backup Mason Vic and Town Mason-whatever Boc is. NO WAY! That's too overpowered. There's gotta be a catch to it. With im317 dead, Boc might've seen this as a perfect opportunity to make a hard push against Zook to try to achieve the side victory. Seems like a very realistic possibility to me

But the Zook shit is weird. He hasn't even commented on the "we aren't exactly town" quote which is way too glaring to overlook. I don't disagree with TownBoc's decision to call him out and spill stuff. I don't think Zook would be mafia though, there's no way they could inherit a second kill if Zook became backup. I could see a fun scenario where he's an SK who has to wait for im317 to die in order to inherit the kill, then it's SK Zook controlling the Mason kill while TownBoc is there with him and Zook has to steer the kills to benefit his new agenda. HOW FUN! I can't really decide on this until Zook explains that comment more

I think there's no way Jay is scum at all. He seems very sincere to me about feeling responsible for Buffy's death and all that. People pushing for him after his claim are extremely shady imo, like Redster

Hermsworth @ 2/4/2016 11:10

King Zook seems to be a Vig gone rouge if Boc is town.

Do you keep saying "rouge" on purpose? Are you trying to be subtle in telling us you suspect Redster? :P

Though there were only two deaths N1 and Vig didn't kill, so that suggests Mafia and SK (could be many other one shots but ya). So if an SK did kill N1 then the SKZook theory is out the window

If one of Zook or Boc are scum, I'm leaning more towards it being Boc with the way he handled the whole thing. Why didn't he discuss it with Zook first? I can understand Zook's frustration, but I wish he had stuck around for a bit too to help us sort through this. If the Masons could see each other's roles but not their descriptions, wouldn't Boc know that Zook was backup vig? Why would he want to expose that?

What are Mason Vic's?

Boc simply having a side objective sounds plausible.

Vig = Vic?

Wikey @ 2/4/2016 13:08

What are Mason Vic's?

YOU WANNA GET BANNED MOTHA FUGGA???????

I'm really not getting a scum vibe from Boc. If my mason partner was suggesting we off town investigative to avoid getting caught, and claimed we weren't town, that would set off every red flag possible for me, and given how into discussing his actions Z seems to be, I would probably just end up outting him too. I can definitely see the scum-Boc theory, but my gut instinct is if one of them is scum, it's Z.

Wikey @ 1/4/2016 19:25

im317 was a vig mason with x amount of partners. Message to those partners, whoever they might be: If you haven't considered this already, keep in mind that one of you may be scum.

So this whole Boc/Zook mess is your fault? :P