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Post #181: 3rd Mar 2016 2:27 AM 
Ugh American politics give me a headache.

I will move back to Holland -no question about it- if Trump becomes president. Bernie is the only candidate that actually deserves to win the votes, he actually wants whats best for everyone. Not just the rich, white and christians like the GOP is displaying right now. Rafael is a religious crazy ass nutjob, Trump is Trump, and Rubio is hate-monger. So technically the GOP is a joke. I mean, it's always been, but even more so now.
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Post #182: 3rd Mar 2016 2:28 AM 
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Post #183: 3rd Mar 2016 9:39 AM 
Moose @ 3/3/2016 6:58
I think it's crazy with all the super delagates going to Hillary. I think it's crazy to have super delegates at all.

I read somewhere that the super delegates can switch to Bernie if they decide to do so, it's possible if he wins more states I guess. So it seems it's far from over actually.

Good luck over there.
 
   
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Post #184: 3rd Mar 2016 11:07 AM 
Herm @ 3/3/2016 9:39
Moose @ 3/3/2016 6:58
I think it's crazy with all the super delagates going to Hillary. I think it's crazy to have super delegates at all.

I read somewhere that the super delegates can switch to Bernie if they decide to do so, it's possible if he wins more states I guess. So it seems it's far from over actually.

Good luck over there.


This. The super delegates are currently "pledged" as supporting Hillary, but won't actually make a choice until June at the convention. Some have already changed their pledge over to Bernie instead, though many are remaining pledged for now so as not to upset the possibility of the DNC sending money downstream to their own election campaigns (more on this below).

The "super delegates" system was put in place with the Dems in order to "reduce" the possibility of a candidate being put in who was popular with Dems but would not win in the general by keeping control in the hands of "party leaders". Super delegates are mostly made up of every Dem sitting member of Congress, most Dem governors and some Dem state legislative leaders, then a smattering of prior Dem leaders (like Bill Clinton).

State parties are really hurting for cash and need the help of the DNC, so they are hesitant to support an upstart like Bernie immediately, because with their own coffers dry, they are hesitant to tick off the DNC and dry up those funds. This happened as well in 2008 with an "upstart" named Obama. At roughly this same time period, the super delegates were all mostly pledged to Hillary. As the momentum in the race pulled from Hillary over to Obama, then the super delegates, while in a position to go against their local voters' wishes, were not about to do that and find themselves answering to their local voters in November. So the super delegates swung to Obama and he received the nomination.

Is it possible that the super delegates will go against the voters' ultimate wishes? Yes. Is it likely? Not really.
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Post #185: 3rd Mar 2016 12:50 PM 
Pretty sure most of the superdelegates that obama got were unpledged not "pledged" to Hillary, She had 169 "pledged" supers in december 2007 and 257 in the end, there was just a handful that actually changed.

Compare it to now, she had what, 400 "pledged" in december?
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Post #186: 3rd Mar 2016 12:54 PM 
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Post #187: 3rd Mar 2016 1:14 PM 
Mercator @ 3/3/2016 12:50
Pretty sure most of the superdelegates that obama got were unpledged not "pledged" to Hillary, She had 169 "pledged" supers in december 2007 and 257 in the end, there was just a handful that actually changed.

Compare it to now, she had what, 400 "pledged" in december?


You have to remember what Bernie was polling at 20% or less when many of these super delegates pledged to Hillary. Most of these were pledged prior to August 2015. url=http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary]Here's a chart showing what the polls; you can see Hillary has more than twice the support of Bernie then. There was no reason to even think at that time that Bernie would be a serious contender (and if you want to make sure that mnoney flows down, you want to pledge your support early).

Here is a chart showing the Obama/Hillary super delegates- Obama did start siphoning off Hillary superdelegates, with the big exchange not happening until right around the convention when it was clear the direction the electorate had gone.

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Post #188: 4th Mar 2016 1:41 AM 
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/02/politics/hillary-clinton-email-server-justice-department/index.html


Isnt Hillary moving emails to a server in her home EXACTLY what Snowden did? As in moving classified documents from a secure government server onto an unsecure private server?

 
   
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Post #189: 4th Mar 2016 3:20 AM 
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/02/politics/hillary-clinton-email-server-justice-department/index.html


Isnt Hillary moving emails to a server in her home EXACTLY what Snowden did? As in moving classified documents from a secure government server onto an unsecure private server?


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Post #192: 5th Mar 2016 11:08 PM 
Hillary is still wining the black voters though, like wtf.
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Post #193: 5th Mar 2016 11:09 PM 
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Post #194: 5th Mar 2016 11:10 PM 
I'm pretty sure his dad had Klan connections.
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Post #195: 6th Mar 2016 12:44 AM 
Anonymous claims to have Hacked Trumps voicemail and leaked "embarrassing" ones.
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