Primate @ 23/5/2017 13:10

Mercator @ 22/5/2017 23:15 BadgerMcBeaver @ 22/5/2017 22:06 Alright, just caught myself up, including yesterday's threads. Here are some of my thoughts: - I have no idea why the discussion about Mitten's Night 1 action was so heavily discussed in day 2. I got the impression it was a few townies getting sidetrack and tunneling on the subject, but there could be more to it. Scum could have been perpetuating it because for the most part, it was pretty pointless. But I do think there is some validity to the line of thought that mafia would probably be aware of the fact that Mittens was telling the truth and decided to try and gain town cred by defending him. - Not seeing why people are rushing to call Merc scummy this game. To me it looks like he's actively scum hunting. This is the towniest read I think I've ever had on him. - I think I believe Angi's claim, but interested to hear what Tib has to say about it. - Herm feels scummy to me this game. That's true of almost every game, but I'm still going to make note of it. - Brian and Rose have barely posted at all. Wouldn't mind seeing some pressure on them soon. Especially Brian, because he tends to show up when he's in danger. - Unsure what to make of the Zach thing, but I think I'm leaning towards believing the Day thread message at the moment? Nothing he's doing seems particularly scummy, but it's too significant of a lead to ignore. Point 1 and 2 tie together, TIB and a few others were trying to go for town cred and trying to lynch me at the same time, fairly obvious since he seems to refuse to acknowledge what I was saying about Mittens, repeatedly. The thing about that is that you were 100% wrong about the DS role. The role doesn't read the way you said it did at all. Assuming an unstoppable would be announced would require you to assume they would also be stopped. It doesn't matter how loud or repetitive you are about that, you still read that role wrong in every possible way. I can't speak for TIB, but I think you look scummy for that. A townie, who is not DS would likely be able to admit they were wrong instead of attacking those who read the role correctly.

I have admitted I was wrong. I'm not ashamed of it because DS's role was ambiguous. What I find suspicious is people turning a blind eye to the ambiguity (scum are less likely to acknowledge that ambiguity because it was clear to them from the beginning that Mittens didn't perform the kill).

Oh and before you try to claim that it WASN'T ambiguous, here is a direct quote from the role: "(If more than one person tries to visit you the night your dancers go off, they will all be announced)". To me that line alone implies we'd hear about any non-ninja kill (and a ninja/unblocakble combo kill is IMO pretty OP compared to what we usually see around here, so Mittens lying seemed like the more likely story).

Angi appears to be legitimately incapable of understanding this line of thought, and you appear willfully ignorant.

Primate @ 23/5/2017 13:22

if scum wants to lynch me, I ask that they do it now so I can defend myself instead of EOD when I am almost never around.

Well I'm not scum, but you are pinging my scumdar like crazy at the moment, so I'll grant your request and place my vote on you while you are around to defend yourself.

Willing to change if there are better options that arise though.

##lynch Primate

Primate @ 23/5/2017 13:20

If Angi sent me something N1, I wouldn't have received it.

wait what? are you saying both that you didn't receive anything and that you would not have gotten it if it had been sent?

Timmah @ 23/5/2017 12:39

What is the people blocked list? Lamps, Timmah, im317, miko? Anyone else? We have multiples claim it any night? What is the silenced list? ahoda (was he silenced? shows that mafia isn't afraid to silence their own), vlady, ???

Miko and i are both claiming to have been blocked night 3.

I guess I could be tunneling, but I'm really not seeing why people were thinking that the explanation of night 1's events that conflicts with the way ninja kills generally function on FE (at least as far as I've seen) was inherently obvious.

ZacharyB @ 23/5/2017 12:47

Timmah @ 23/5/2017 13:40 Also, no one at all is talking about the fact that Angi claims she sent something to Primate N1 that was redirected or something. Has anyone else had something similar happen to them? I was about to ask about this. She said it was intercepted and thrown out and I find it weird that she knows that much detail about where her item went. Also it just seems weird since, like you said, we haven't heard about anything similar happen.

The hosts told me so
Why would something similar happen. How many people give stuff away

I said it was redirected. As in directed away from Primate. Where it went nobody knows. Except Jamir Christmas. Hosts said it failed to reach Primate and was goNE. Kaput. Zilch. I paraphrased when I said thrown in the garbage because wtf.....I'm not going to quote the hosts

vladykins @ 23/5/2017 13:36

Helios Garabandia @ 23/5/2017 13:30 Primate @ 23/5/2017 13:20 If Angi sent me something N1, I wouldn't have received it. Did I miss when Angi claimed? She has said it a few times and specifically said who she sent stuff to. It's a softclaim- she hasn't said her role itself, only her actions.

Okay, got it. I saw all of those things, but not any specific claim, and I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything!

##lynch Badger because I'm a bitch like that

Angi @ 23/5/2017 14:18

I said it was redirected. As in directed away from Primate. Where it went nobody knows. Except Jamir Christmas. Hosts said it failed to reach Primate and was goNE. Kaput. Zilch. I paraphrased when I said thrown in the garbage because wtf.....I'm not going to quote the hosts

So the redirect counts as a use of your role, right?

Oh wait.....all this distraction
##unlynch
##lynch Zach just cuz flavour

Helios Garabandia @ 23/5/2017 14:20

Angi @ 23/5/2017 14:18 I said it was redirected. As in directed away from Primate. Where it went nobody knows. Except Jamir Christmas. Hosts said it failed to reach Primate and was goNE. Kaput. Zilch. I paraphrased when I said thrown in the garbage because wtf.....I'm not going to quote the hosts So the redirect counts as a use of your role, right?

Yes they told me it was gone......hence why I said thrown out. Which sucks because something good happened to me last night and I could have used my role twice tonight but I always worry about being killed early and use up shit quick lol

Angi @ 23/5/2017 14:21

Oh wait.....all this distraction ##unlynch ##lynch Zach just cuz flavour

I could get behind a Zach lynch so at least we have that much in common.

Angi @ 23/5/2017 15:21

Oh wait.....all this distraction ##unlynch ##lynch Zach just cuz flavour

Or you're trying to distract away from all the pressure on you...?

##lynch Angi

Angi @ 23/5/2017 14:22

Helios Garabandia @ 23/5/2017 14:20 Angi @ 23/5/2017 14:18 I said it was redirected. As in directed away from Primate. Where it went nobody knows. Except Jamir Christmas. Hosts said it failed to reach Primate and was goNE. Kaput. Zilch. I paraphrased when I said thrown in the garbage because wtf.....I'm not going to quote the hosts So the redirect counts as a use of your role, right? Yes they told me it was gone......hence why I said thrown out. Which sucks because something good happened to me last night and I could have used my role twice tonight but I always worry about being killed early and use up shit quick lol

Gotcha, thanks!

I'm having a tough time reading Angi right now. She's defensive right now, but it's not out of character for her and with the amount of heat she's receiving I'd say it's justified.

But her night actions look really bad. Her first night the person she gave something to didn't receive it. Her second night she gave something to a member of the maf. And last night she gave it to someone who was likely also visited by the silencer (Tib has been reading the thread for ages but not liked any posts or posted himself, pretty sure he's silenced).

These actions put together should in theory make her look extremely scummy. But I'm leaning towards an unlucky/honest power town role because if she were scum, I think she'd have come up with a neater and tidier story than this.