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Dyl
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| Post #166: 16th Dec 2017 3:19 PM | |
Just finished. Sat on the last episode for a long time. I enjoyed it a lot. Kind of confusing, wasn't crazy about the third season but lots of good characters and what not. | "So, uh, what are we saying here? If we save LA from a nuclear bomb, then you and I can get together for dinner and a movie?"
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Christian
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| Post #167: 18th Dec 2017 5:25 PM | |
I'm still sitting on the last season. I want to start it soon. But I know that once I watch it, it's over. And there's no new episodes left. | |
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Christian
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| Post #168: 18th Jan 2018 10:51 AM | |
Yesterday, I started season 3 episode 1.
It'd been a while since I watched season 2, but I was pulled right back in.
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It was given a refreshed feel with the jump ahead 3 years. And maybe even further by the end of the episode!
It started off all happy families and I'm like "this is nice, but this isn't going to last". And I realize I'm a little bit scared about what's coming in the remainder of this season.
Matt writing a gospel about Kevin makes sense, since there are so many connections between him and Jesus throughout the series. Love that Matt and Mary named their baby Noah (another biblical reference). Lots of surprises, like Laurie and John being together, Erika (or baby Lily) nowhere in sight. I feel like Nora's cast might have something to do with why Lily is no longer in the picture. Something bad happened. Maybe Erika took her since she lost her daughter?
I'm curious to see if anything happens on the 7 year anniversary of the Departure. It's going to be the central plot point I'd assume. But will it be like Meg's plan in season 2 and amount to something of a prank? You expect this big thing to happen and then nothing? I wouldn't be surprised based on the opening of the episode with the family in white wanting to be taken and nothing happening over and over.
I connected the dove collecting person at the end of the episode to the bicycle Nora rides, but for some reason expected to see the reveal to be Meg. What we got in "Sarah" is even better. Very Lost-esque ending.
I look forward to more, but not too quickly. I'm going to try to really savour and digest these last episodes.
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Christian
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| Post #169: 18th Jan 2018 11:05 PM | |
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Man, these character-centric episodes are so damn good. I could watch Carrie Coon/Nora Durst do anything and be captivated.
First of all, I loved the Perfect Strangers theme music and it didn't seem weird at all in the opening credits! So I shouldn't have been surprised when Mark Linn-Baker called Nora. I have no idea what's up with this plotline and whether it's real or not, but I'm intrigued. And with Kevin and Nora heading off to Australia makes me wonder about the characters they'll be leaving behind and who we'll be seeing in the next episode.
It was nice to see Erika is still around and Nora's visit was great to see. The acting in that scene. Did Carrie Coon win any awards for this show?
Lily not being in the picture anymore had nothing to do with Erika and nothing to do with Nora's cast (like I thought). Christine reappeared and wanted her back. Nora had to experience losing another child, and it made sense why she'd give her back without putting up a fight.
Now that ending...those four ladies on horses drowning that Australian police chief. For a bit, it felt like I was watching a completely different show. Obviously looking for a Kevin Garvey, but which one? Jr. (as far as we know) hadn't even left for Sydney yet so what does that mean for Kevin Sr.?
I don't know. I can theorize all I want, but I'm usually wrong. So I'll just have to wait and see. They did bring up the upcoming anniversary again, so that's still a main plot point, but maybe the Australia one introduced this episode takes centre stage for the rest of the series. |
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Curtis
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| Post #170: 18th Jan 2018 11:11 PM | |
Only a critics choice for best actress which is a god damn shame because she’s incredible in it | |
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Christian
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| Post #171: 20th Jan 2018 4:02 PM | |
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Only a critics choice for best actress which is a god damn shame because she’s incredible in it |
I'm glad she won something at least.
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I'm going to admit that when I saw the opening was Kevin Sr. and guessed the episode was going to be all about him, I was a little disappointed that we wouldn't be seeing the other characters. But like all the solo episodes, it was perfect.
In a lot of ways, this one reminded me of the Matt episode from season one, which I believe was also the third episode of the season. It was one man's journey to complete a mission and whether you believed him to be insane or not, you still wanted to see him succeed. But everything that could go wrong, went wrong, of course. In the season one Matt episode, Kevin Sr. had left money for him if he needed it. In this season 3 episode, Matt was sending money to Sr. in case he needed it. That was something I noticed.
I found the ending interesting. When Grace was telling the story of her heartbreak and then finding Kevin Sr. with a page of the gospel that was written by Matt, and how she took that as a sign of what she was supposed to do. Kind of like Kevin Sr. talking about following the signs along his journey with Tony the chicken and the cassette tape, etc. It's interesting how people will see something that wasn't meant for them but apply it to their life as some kind of a sign of what they should be doing. When Grace was talking about everything she had been doing had been nothing more than a story she made for herself, I thought she was talking directly about Kevin Sr.'s story as well, and thought he was thinking the same thing and would give up his task.
But then right at the end it's clear he's not done with his mission when he says "You've just got the wrong Kevin."
Now, is he talking about himself? Or his son? |
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Christian
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| Post #172: 21st Jan 2018 3:57 PM | |
Some quick thoughts on Season 3 Episode 4
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The end of Kevin and Nora?? The end of the premiere sort of hinted at it when "Sarah" was revealed. But the beginning of this episode was a sign of things to come. When Kevin and Nora were at the airport and she said she had Global Entry and Kevin asked if he could go with her and the agent said no, he couldn't go with her. And then they spent all their time away from each other, which led to that not-so-nice conversation in the hotel when Kevin burned the book and left her.
When Kevin saw Evie, I was like "there's no way she's alive" but then when he called Laurie and sent the picture to her and she said "Yep, that's her", I was like "okay, there's more going on than I thought". BUT I realized they never showed the actual photo so I did guess that it was not Evie and that at some point we'd see what the woman Kevin was following really looked like.
Even though Kevin didn't actually see Evie on his television, I liked that him going down there to look for her led to his father seeing him on tv, and their eventual reunion.
No taxis and all flights grounded due to the "explosion". I'm curious where and what happened. Even Kevin Sr. referenced "the news".
At points, I thought that Nora might actually want to go through the process/machine and not just bust them as frauds like she told Kevin. And I liked that even though this was a Kevin/Nora episode that we got glimpses of Laurie and John.
There's only 4 episodes to go, and I have no idea what's going on, and I'll never guess, so I'll just enjoy the ride. |
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Christian
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| Post #173: 22nd Jan 2018 4:54 PM | |
Season 3 Episode 5
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Well, that episode started with a naked man blowing up a submarine. So now we know why flights are grounded, etc, but what does that event have to do with the main story? I'm assuming something, since everything on that show seems to happen for a reason and nothing is insignificant.
What could be more interesting than a reverend on a sex boat? A reverend on a sex boat where the partiers worships a 91 year old lion and said reverend witnessing a murder by a man claiming to be God.
I liked the contrast of Lawrie and Matt's opinions of what's been going on with Kevin. I liked how Matt didn't believe this David Burton man to be God but then started talking to him like he was God. Was he actually starting to buy into it, or was he simply taking Laurie's advice on how to deal with Kevin (by letting him believe Kevin is actually the Messiah) and applying it to Mr. Burton? Perhaps the latter, because by the end of the episode it would seem that Matt has maybe lost a lot of his faith or at least given up on what they had gone to Australia to do.
I noticed the title of one of the remaining episodes referenced a powerful man and his identical twin, which David Burton claims that Jesus had a twin. So I'm curious how that will come into play later.
Also, I loved the lighting in that final conversation between Matt and Burton.
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Christian
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| Post #174: 22nd Jan 2018 5:41 PM | |
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It might not be so much that he lost faith, but that he finally found peace in that moment. He's accepted that he's dying, which he shows by sharing that with Laurie and the others. He didn't even want her there originally but she ended up helping him. |
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Patrick
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| Post #175: 22nd Jan 2018 6:11 PM | |
Can I have a specific memory erase so I can watch this for the first time again? | |
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Christian
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| Post #176: 22nd Jan 2018 7:00 PM | |
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Can I have a specific memory erase so I can watch this for the first time again? |
I watched the first season twice before starting season 2. I noticed things the second time I would not have picked up on the first time around. | |
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Christian
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| Post #177: 23rd Jan 2018 3:41 PM | |
Season 3 Episode 6
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Oh boy. That goodbye between Kevin and Laurie felt awfully final, especially after she let him keep the lighter that meant so much to her. The episode started by looking like she had planned to kill herself back before she joined the GR. The theme song over the credits was about suicide. And a couple of other times during the episode, it was mentioned, so by all likelihood, she went out on that boat and finally intended to go through with it, with some inspiration from Nora it would seem.
Laurie helped everyone she could help and then maybe she found her own peace, like John had previously, and Matt had last episode. The phone call from Jill right at that moment she decided to end it all was a touching moment. And I loved Today's Special! I used to watch it every day before dinner as a kid.
And we got an explanation for the naked french guy blowing up the submarine. He just happened to be on his own crazy quest trying to save the world, like everyone else appears to be in this show. :P
But anyway, it's sad if this is truly the end for Laurie. She said goodbye to everyone important to her. Her being out on the water, reminded me of the end of season 1 I think, when she was standing there staring out at the water when Tommy found her. |
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Christian
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| Post #178: 24th Jan 2018 5:30 PM | |
Season 3 Episode 7
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So was this Mirror World just Kevin's inner conflict all along? They destroyed wherever "here" is so they would never have to go back there (so I'm sure at least that we won't see this place again), and the real world and everyone in it still exists.
If this was all in his mind though, how did "God" look exactly like the guy on the sex boat and appear in this life previously? And Christopher Sunday telling him what he told Sr. about the song, unless Sr. told Jr. what he said before going into the bathtub?
It was cool to revisit the Mirror World again and I liked that Kevin had a little bit of control over which of the two Kevins he wanted to be by using reflective surfaces to switch back and forth.
I laughed out loud when Patti asked for her glasses back and he then proceeded to smash them.
I half expected to see Laurie show up somewhere, as confirmation that she did in fact die, but it's better that they didn't. Although I remember Kevin did see Mary in the Mirror World the first time, and she wasn't dead at the time, just in a coma. So maybe it wouldn't have meant anything anyway.
The penis scanner was a bit silly, but there was an allusion to Kevin's package the first time time as well. And the show-runners seemed to have an obsession with dongs. :P
The Australian police chief, Dean, Patti, Meg, God, Evie all appearing was nice and each had sort of chosen their sides in the Kevin vs. Kevin thing.
John was able to get some closure via Kevin's journey, but poor Grace is still left wondering where her children's shoes are. I wonder if she'll find them somehow in the finale, or if this is the last time we'll see this particular group of characters, since their stories are kind of completed.
Kevin Sr. didn't get the song, but he had already been told by Christopher Sunday that his was a song to bring the rain, not stop it. And now he's sat up on that roof until he's ready to come down, ie. accept that he can't save the world/his quest has been futile. But it did bring him and his son together, so maybe it wasn't a complete waste.
Kevin Jr. realizes he screwed up with Nora and whether he'll try to win her back remains to be seen, but will it be too late? Will Nora step into the "suicide machine" in the finale? Will we learn who and why "Sarah" is? |
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Christian
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| Post #179: 25th Jan 2018 4:26 PM | |
Wow.
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That finale was beautiful. So emotional. So perfect.
I don't even know where to begin. I'll say I'm sad but also happy that I've reached the end and I'm glad that there were happy endings in a show that was very depressing a lot of time.
Every single character on that show had some kind of belief that lead them each on a personal journey, some realizing their goals and some realizing their goals were not attainable. But in the end, every one of them got some kind of closure.
Nora said her goodbyes to Matt, which was so wonderful to see as well as them reminiscing about when they were kids. Then she went into the machine. She was ready to go. Ready to see her children.
Next thing we know, she's the "Sarah" we saw at the end of the season premiere. Kevin shows up, and he doesn't seem to remember any of their history past their meeting in the hallway at that high school dance. What is going on? Where are we? When are we? Why does Nora have these memories and Kevin doesn't? Eventually we find out he was pretending, he wanted to erase everything and start over.
But when they have that conversation at the end, and Nora tells her story of going into the machine and everything she saw and did, it was so incredibly moving and captivating and the acting was so good, of course. She saw her kids from a distance, older and happy, and they had moved on, and that was enough for her. She realized she didn't belong in that world, so she found a way back to the world she left.
Now whether you believe her story or not, is up to the viewer, and it's perfect that way. Could she have actually done all that she said had happened? Yes, sure. And everyone was okay and had a happy ending. Laurie was alive, perhaps she too changed her mind, as Nora did after seeing her kids.
But you could also look at it as Nora being in her own Mirror World after going into the machine, and needing to do everything she said she did to get the closure she needed. One thing that made me wonder if it was all in Nora's mind was when Laurie asked her "What do you want?", something that was asked to Kevin last episode when he was trying to settle his own inner conflict.
Speaking of last episode, Kevin having the scar from a pacemaker was a nice touch. And the callback to the goat from the first season.
This was a show about love and how people would cross the world(s) to be reunited with their loved ones. And a show about faith and whatever a person (including the audience) chose to believe.
Either way, it was an incredibly satisfying finish to a wonderfully crafted series. I will definitely have a re-watch of the entire thing at some point, maybe in 7 years. :P
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Curtis
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| Post #180: 25th Jan 2018 4:38 PM | |
This show is an all time great, glad you loved it
I wanna rewatch at some point too | |
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