Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:58

Igor @ 22/2/2018 14:52 Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:51 I also don't think Igor realizes there's a difference between "leftists" and "liberals." Leftists are complete and utter garbage. But liberals are all pretty much the same on taking away gunz This is false. I see a lot of division between people who want all-out bans, bans on specific guns, or just better legislation on background checks and methods of purchase. There's also a whole other debate over researching gun violence from a public health perspective. Nydia Velázquez's bill, H.R.3987 - Protecting Americans from Gun Violence Act of 2017, is one to look into. It would place a fee on background checks and the revenue from those fees would fund gun violence research at the CDC. It's probably not a perfect bill, but I agree with the general premise. Most of the cosponsors are from the Progressive Caucus, though, so I doubt it will get any movement in this Congress.

I don't quite think that's the case. Every facebook post I've seen is more on the line of "why do we need guns", "gunz r bad mkay", etc. Hell even on here it seems to be the general tone. I don't think any person on any part of the spectrum is against research (at least a large majority should be for it). It's shitty that there are barriers in place that prevent that.

Ahoda @ 22/2/2018 14:00

Ahoda @ 22/2/2018 13:51 Hey Igor, please define what the word amalgram means Hey Igor.....I'm still waiting.

Is your unibrow covering your eyes old man?
Or are you just illiterate?

Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:58

Igor @ 22/2/2018 14:52 Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:51 I also don't think Igor realizes there's a difference between "leftists" and "liberals." Leftists are complete and utter garbage. But liberals are all pretty much the same on taking away gunz This is false. I see a lot of division between people who want all-out bans, bans on specific guns, or just better legislation on background checks and methods of purchase. There's also a whole other debate over researching gun violence from a public health perspective. Nydia Velázquez's bill, H.R.3987 - Protecting Americans from Gun Violence Act of 2017, is one to look into. It would place a fee on background checks and the revenue from those fees would fund gun violence research at the CDC. It's probably not a perfect bill, but I agree with the general premise. Most of the cosponsors are from the Progressive Caucus, though, so I doubt it will get any movement in this Congress.

Can they use any of the fees for trying to stop those that buy guns illegally? I'm all for making it more difficult to get guns, but that's only for those that are typically law-abiding citizens anyways.

Spin @ 22/2/2018 14:01

Igor @ 22/2/2018 12:58 Spin @ 22/2/2018 13:56 Your gun won't protect you if your house is broken into (if you have it safely stored). Your gun won't protect you from the government if they really want what you have. All they are is expensive toys that make you feel more powerful. They make pills for that now. Those are all irrelevant. Its a freedom/right you deserve to have. Not worth debating those points It was relevant in 1780s. It was maybe relevant in the 1860s. It sure as hell isnt relevant now in this modern society. #repealthe2nd

Hell yea, luv taking liberties away from people

Timmah @ 22/2/2018 12:59

Spin @ 22/2/2018 13:56 Your gun won't protect you if your house is broken into (if you have it safely stored). Your gun won't protect you from the government if they really want what you have. All they are is expensive toys that make you feel more powerful. They make pills for that now. Oh, yeah? Well what about the zombie apocalypse?!

Machetes don't run out of ammo.

Igor @ 22/2/2018 13:52

Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:51 I also don't think Igor realizes there's a difference between "leftists" and "liberals." Leftists are complete and utter garbage. But liberals are all pretty much the same on taking away gunz

Not really. In fact, my plan has a conservative hallmark in it: personal responsibility. But it requires the registration of firearms to work. If a firearm registered to you is used in the commission of a crime and you have not *previously* listed it as missing, you get prosecuted as an accessory to that crime. If your response is "What if I don't know it is stolen?" then you pretty much haven't kept your gun under your control, have you?

I actually believe that possible weapons available should be expanded- with the caveat that to get anything, you have additional training and checks to go through to get them, using an endorsement system similar to what they have with pilot licenses. Base "license" allows use of handguns, shotguns, and bolt-action or semi-auto longarms (up to .30) with limited capacity magazines, requiring annual recurrent safety training. You can add endorsements for CCW, large-capacity magazines, full auto, larger caliber weapons, grenade launchers, etc., but each requires additional training, potentially a annual or biennial mental fitness check, etc.). More importantly, these would provide federal pre-emption, so you would no longer have to figure out if your CCW works in XYZ state or not.

If the argument is "criminals will still get guns", well then you can drop a federal firearms violation on said criminals- Al Capone wasn't taken dowbn for the St Valentines Day Massacre, but for tax evasion. Here's a tool to get those "bad guys".

More than anything, this changes the *culture* around guns. Too many people I've seen play with their guns in a way that would have gotten my ass beaten by the Korean War vet who taught me to shoot.

Igor @ 22/2/2018 14:01

Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:58 Igor @ 22/2/2018 14:52 Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:51 I also don't think Igor realizes there's a difference between "leftists" and "liberals." Leftists are complete and utter garbage. But liberals are all pretty much the same on taking away gunz This is false. I see a lot of division between people who want all-out bans, bans on specific guns, or just better legislation on background checks and methods of purchase. There's also a whole other debate over researching gun violence from a public health perspective. Nydia Velázquez's bill, H.R.3987 - Protecting Americans from Gun Violence Act of 2017, is one to look into. It would place a fee on background checks and the revenue from those fees would fund gun violence research at the CDC. It's probably not a perfect bill, but I agree with the general premise. Most of the cosponsors are from the Progressive Caucus, though, so I doubt it will get any movement in this Congress. I don't quite think that's the case. Every facebook post I've seen is more on the line of "why do we need guns", "gunz r bad mkay", etc. Hell even on here it seems to be the general tone. I don't think any person on any part of the spectrum is against research (at least a large majority should be for it). It's shitty that there are barriers in place that prevent that.

NRA helped put that in place.

No shit, NRA is a political group first before anything else. The organization is garbage.

Timmah @ 22/2/2018 13:59

Spin @ 22/2/2018 13:56 Your gun won't protect you if your house is broken into (if you have it safely stored). Your gun won't protect you from the government if they really want what you have. All they are is expensive toys that make you feel more powerful. They make pills for that now. Oh, yeah? Well what about the zombie apocalypse?!

ARs are terrible for the zombie apocalypse- you have to destroy the brain and pumping a bunch of 5.56 into a zombie doesn't stop it. The first Resident Evil illustrates this pretty well.

Firearms-wise, you are better off with a shotgun loaded with a minimum of 00 buck.

Igor @ 22/2/2018 14:02

Ahoda @ 22/2/2018 14:00 Ahoda @ 22/2/2018 13:51 Hey Igor, please define what the word amalgram means Hey Igor.....I'm still waiting. Is your unibrow covering your eyes old man? Or are you just illiterate?

You never said what it meant and still haven't. C'mon douche. You haven't figured out how to google yet?

vladykins @ 22/2/2018 14:10

Igor @ 22/2/2018 13:52 Mads @ 22/2/2018 13:51 I also don't think Igor realizes there's a difference between "leftists" and "liberals." Leftists are complete and utter garbage. But liberals are all pretty much the same on taking away gunz Not really. In fact, my plan has a conservative hallmark in it: personal responsibility. But it requires the registration of firearms to work. If a firearm registered to you is used in the commission of a crime and you have not *previously* listed it as missing, you get prosecuted as an accessory to that crime. If your response is "What if I don't know it is stolen?" then you pretty much haven't kept your gun under your control, have you? I actually believe that possible weapons available should be expanded- with the caveat that to get anything, you have additional training and checks to go through to get them, using an endorsement system similar to what they have with pilot licenses. Base "license" allows use of handguns, shotguns, and bolt-action or semi-auto longarms (up to .30) with limited capacity magazines, requiring annual recurrent safety training. You can add endorsements for CCW, large-capacity magazines, full auto, larger caliber weapons, grenade launchers, etc., but each requires additional training, potentially a annual or biennial mental fitness check, etc.). More importantly, these would provide federal pre-emption, so you would no longer have to figure out if your CCW works in XYZ state or not. If the argument is "criminals will still get guns", well then you can drop a federal firearms violation on said criminals- Al Capone wasn't taken dowbn for the St Valentines Day Massacre, but for tax evasion. Here's a tool to get those "bad guys". More than anything, this changes the *culture* around guns. Too many people I've seen play with their guns in a way that would have gotten my ass beaten by the Korean War vet who taught me to shoot.

I like it and would be for it, but it still doesn't stop the issue of the mass killings, which they are targeting to stop.

Ahoda and Igor should get a room.

Ben @ 22/2/2018 14:16

Ahoda and Igor should get a room.

I'd love too. Maybe I could knock some sense into him. And teach him how to google.

Ben @ 22/2/2018 14:16

Ahoda and Igor should get a room.

He's really desperate to try to suck me off
I keep telling him no but he won't go away
This isn't right
#metoo

Ben @ 22/2/2018 14:14

I like it and would be for it, but it still doesn't stop the issue of the mass killings, which they are targeting to stop.

I think I mentioned universal healthcare including mental health care earlier. I can even go into how this will save money, but that's a whole other argument.

More so, it reduces the potentiality through firearm safety and people needing to control their own weapons better. Virginia Tech was done with handguns, but would have been harder for him if he had needed to pass a stronger check and training to get even higher capacity handguns. It's very tough to do a mass killing with six-shot revolvers, even with speed loaders. P{art of the reasons guns are easily available to criminals is because we let it be. You can't enact gun control locally and make it work- that's why gun nuts like to cite DC and Chicago, ignoring that Indiana and Virginia are both very lax on gun control. Criminals don't have issues driving somewhere else and purchasing when they are traveling next to nothing. Straw purchasers are also going to drop when they start getting nailed with accessory charges.