Nofo @ 1/11/2017 14:13

Igor @ 1/11/2017 15:12 Men get raped too you sexist He did not say that.

A non-sexist way to say it would be teach people not to rape

Go to a supervisor first, if they sweep it under the rug, then go to the cops. If you can't prove to the cops it happened, then at least you can you can tell your story in some shape or form or help others who find themselves in similar situations.

Igor @ 1/11/2017 15:14

Nofo @ 1/11/2017 14:13 Igor @ 1/11/2017 15:12 Men get raped too you sexist He did not say that. A non-sexist way to say it would be teach people not to rape

Yeah, zersch. You dumbs self hating male.

Goddamnit, Igor hit me with that killshot.

RIP

How often does a woman force herself on someone? Can't be too high a percentage.

I agree with Zersch

Igor @ 1/11/2017 14:01

Beo i know cops can be pigs, seen plenty of friends get fucked over. Dont need u to lecture me old man

Again, you've been the one belittling me all thread with "stupid" and "idiot" and "ignorant" and now "old man". I'm not sure you can have an argument without ad hominems, but I digress.

You ask lower down what the solution is. Given the difficulty it is for an accuser to come forth in the first place, especially in high profile cases where their name is gonna get dragged in the mud, and knowing full well that investigations will lead nowhere, I tend to lend some weight to any accusation. Because, as I noted above, the balance is waaaaay shifted already.

Space Herm @ 1/11/2017 14:15

Go to a supervisor first, if they sweep it under the rug, then go to the cops. If you can't prove to the cops it happened, then at least you can you can tell your story in some shape or form or help others who find themselves in similar situations.

And if it is your supervisor? Or their supervisor? Or even levels above that?

And when you go to the cops and they say "Without proof we can't do anything." and they don't take down a report and they imply that maybe you wanted it because of the way you dressed that day.

Dadd @ 1/11/2017 14:17

How often does a woman force herself on someone? Can't be too high a percentage.

vladykins @ 1/11/2017 14:21

Space Herm @ 1/11/2017 14:15 Go to a supervisor first, if they sweep it under the rug, then go to the cops. If you can't prove to the cops it happened, then at least you can you can tell your story in some shape or form or help others who find themselves in similar situations. And if it is your supervisor? Or their supervisor? Or even levels above that? And when you go to the cops and they say "Without proof we can't do anything." and they don't take down a report and they imply that maybe you wanted it because of the way you dressed that day.

I think in that scenario, you pretty much have to change jobs.

I don't work in a corporate environment, but do they do incoming training for female (or males I suppose) to train them to take precautions so they won't be exposed to risk?

The instances that stand out in my mind are the female teachers sleeping with the male students. It doesn't seem to meet the same standard of outrage as if it were the other way around.

Dadd @ 1/11/2017 14:24

The instances that stand out in my mind are the female teachers sleeping with the male students. It doesn't seem to meet the same standard of outrage as if it were the other way around.

It does among women, but men tend to make comments like "Was she hot?" or "That didn't happen when I was in HS." and shit like that. So I think you are seeing part of the problem.

vladykins @ 1/11/2017 14:27

Dadd @ 1/11/2017 14:24 The instances that stand out in my mind are the female teachers sleeping with the male students. It doesn't seem to meet the same standard of outrage as if it were the other way around. It does among women, but men tend to make comments like "Was she hot?" or "That didn't happen when I was in HS." and shit like that. So I think you are seeing part of the problem.

That comment was really in response to Igor's flip response to Zersch saying "teach men not to rape".

Dadd @ 1/11/2017 15:24

The instances that stand out in my mind are the female teachers sleeping with the male students. It doesn't seem to meet the same standard of outrage as if it were the other way around.

I mean I hear more about them than make teachers so I don't think that's so fair.

Dadd @ 1/11/2017 14:23

vladykins @ 1/11/2017 14:21 Space Herm @ 1/11/2017 14:15 Go to a supervisor first, if they sweep it under the rug, then go to the cops. If you can't prove to the cops it happened, then at least you can you can tell your story in some shape or form or help others who find themselves in similar situations. And if it is your supervisor? Or their supervisor? Or even levels above that? And when you go to the cops and they say "Without proof we can't do anything." and they don't take down a report and they imply that maybe you wanted it because of the way you dressed that day. I think in that scenario, you pretty much have to change jobs. I don't work in a corporate environment, but do they do incoming training for female (or males I suppose) to train them to take precautions so they won't be exposed to risk?

Yep- and throw your livelihood to the wind. that's part of the article on "consent" I posted up earlier.

In our environment, they hit us pretty hard with the "harassment" training at all levels, and I received additional special training when I hit the executive level. I know of one perv we had running around and he is no longer working with the firm.

I do know that I'm much more conscious of what i say and do in terms of both sexes in the office.

vladykins @ 1/11/2017 14:31

Dadd @ 1/11/2017 14:23 vladykins @ 1/11/2017 14:21 Space Herm @ 1/11/2017 14:15 Go to a supervisor first, if they sweep it under the rug, then go to the cops. If you can't prove to the cops it happened, then at least you can you can tell your story in some shape or form or help others who find themselves in similar situations. And if it is your supervisor? Or their supervisor? Or even levels above that? And when you go to the cops and they say "Without proof we can't do anything." and they don't take down a report and they imply that maybe you wanted it because of the way you dressed that day. I think in that scenario, you pretty much have to change jobs. I don't work in a corporate environment, but do they do incoming training for female (or males I suppose) to train them to take precautions so they won't be exposed to risk? Yep- and throw your livelihood to the wind. that's part of the article on "consent" I posted up earlier. In our environment, they hit us pretty hard with the "harassment" training at all levels, and I received additional special training when I hit the executive level. I know of one perv we had running around and he is no longer working with the firm. I do know that I'm much more conscious of what i say and do in terms of both sexes in the office.

I would think of simple steps a male executive could take, ie: don't be alone in a room with a female employee, always have another person present. That would protect everyone.