So, the question is whether mafia has a vote cancelling ability like Lamps did and whether they would use it on one of their own to gain town cred?

Drake @ 26/8/2016 11:49

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 11:30 Is Drake Vernon on another account? just when you think you've heard it all. I'm not Vernon. I only wish I could be half as amazing as him.

OMG you are really earning that lynch vote. :rofl:

im starting to lean less scum on Wikey. im not convinced hes town but i no longer think he is the best play for today.

##unlynch Wikey

Drake @ 26/8/2016 12:49

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 11:30 Is Drake Vernon on another account? just when you think you've heard it all. I'm not Vernon. I only wish I could be half as amazing as him.

you just keep digging that hole deeper don't you. i could go with a vote for you but i really want to wait until we hear from Merc since he has been a scum read of mine for longer.

-dr @ 26/8/2016 10:32

They are apparently old friends from TIB, so yes

old friends from me?

vladykins @ 26/8/2016 11:22

OK, I see the vote on drake and no unvote, but your vote is crossed off. I just checked TIB's and it is the same: a chris vote with no unvote but still crossed off.

I was notified after the day was over mine was cancelled. Not sure if that was timing of the mod logging on or just how it happened.

Interesting that the town had a vote cancelling role. That makes me think the mafia would have a double voter

vladykins @ 26/8/2016 13:15

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 10:26 You can't trust anything that Jamaican says. I gotta say, I don't see how Drake flipping scum would make me scum. I called him out on his BS immediately, at a time when he was attracting no attention. More importantly, nobody was interesting in pursuing him except me until today. It would make little sense to attract attention to a teammate who was under no threat. Plus, it would be terribly mean to throw a new player under the bus if they were your team mate. I don't see it. If no more solid leads come up, I think Drake would be the best choice today. Also, @Curtis @Rose Yall both are striking me as very non committal and seem to be waiting for an easy townie to pile on. Considering people were asking on drake yesterday as well as today, this all strikes me as a bit overdramatic- like you are lining up your prior distancing now.

Except nobody would have been on Drake's case yesterday if it wasn't for me bringing him up the day before.

Because it was his reactions to me that progressively put him on all your radars. That first slip he made could have easily gone ignored had I not called him out. And several people actually did seem ready to dismiss it as Drake simply being a new player.

Having an admirer digs me a deeper hole? Okaaaaaay 317. Also how you don't see Wikey oozing scum is beyond me. Anyone for that matter who doesn't think he's scum.

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 12:46

vladykins @ 26/8/2016 13:15 Wikey @ 26/8/2016 10:26 You can't trust anything that Jamaican says. I gotta say, I don't see how Drake flipping scum would make me scum. I called him out on his BS immediately, at a time when he was attracting no attention. More importantly, nobody was interesting in pursuing him except me until today. It would make little sense to attract attention to a teammate who was under no threat. Plus, it would be terribly mean to throw a new player under the bus if they were your team mate. I don't see it. If no more solid leads come up, I think Drake would be the best choice today. Also, @Curtis @Rose Yall both are striking me as very non committal and seem to be waiting for an easy townie to pile on. Considering people were asking on drake yesterday as well as today, this all strikes me as a bit overdramatic- like you are lining up your prior distancing now. Except nobody would have been on Drake's case yesterday if it wasn't for me bringing him up the day before. Because it was his reactions to me that progressively put him on all your radars. That first slip he made could have easily gone ignored had I not called him out. And several people actually did seem ready to dismiss it as Drake simply being a new player.

That's why I'm leaning drake over you right now. I just think you are being overly defensive, which could be a scum sign.

Well I am leading the lynch vote right now, with 4/8 votes. I think I could be excused for being overly defensive ;)

thisisbad @ 26/8/2016 12:45

Interesting that the town had a vote cancelling role. That makes me think the mafia would have a double voter

It's always possible, though Odd's voting pattern doesn't strike me as too unusual. There being a second vote thief out there is interesting to me, though I'm guessing they can attack or thieve. I need to go back and see if there is an additional second vote yesterday.

Wikey @ 26/8/2016 12:51

Well I am leading the lynch vote right now, with 4/8 votes. I think I could be excused for being overly defensive ;)

LOL- I guess. I have already mentally factored in my likely vote for drake and I thought he had more votes already.

Drake @ 26/8/2016 13:48

Having an admirer digs me a deeper hole? Okaaaaaay 317. Also how you don't see Wikey oozing scum is beyond me. Anyone for that matter who doesn't think he's scum.

when its Vernon yes it does. and i still lean scum on Wikey, just not as much as before.

No second votes yesterday, despite two vote steals.

If Odd did happen to turn out to be scum doublevoter, it's worth noting that it was Helios who exposed him as such in the first place.

Whether that means Helios was setting a scum buddy up for a good early claim, or he was simply town figuring things out, is another question.

Pure speculation at this point anyway. But we definitely should be keeping this in mind. I was actually thinking the other day that if it wasn't for Odd's claim I would have found him scummy too. Not exactly sure what my reasoning was for that now though, without looking back.

Also here's a brief summary of Rose thus far in the game:

Day 2: She advocated for a Brian lynch, saying that an inactive lynch on Day 2 could be justified by the lack of discussion.

She lynched Brian with like an hour of the day left, rather than joining the Sab train, which struck me as a particularly pointless vote when it was clear nobody else was going to vote for Brian.

Rose did explain the next day that she thought the deadline for Day 2 was longer than it actually was, but it still struck me as rather pointless, given how quiet the day was. It could easily be interpreted as her trying to blend in. I'm not sure how much to believe this explanation personally.

Day 3: She lynched Brian again, saying she still liked the idea. I could forgive going after an inactive on Day 2, maybe. But this struck me as a bad idea on Day 3. She eventually switched to Angi, saying she didn't get a TOWN vibe from her.

Day 4: Joke lynched Drake. Pursued Brian once again, saying she thought he was scum, even though he hasn't posted enough to get a feeling either way on him. She said this in response to Brian talking about his role maybe being fake.

"There's possibly a reason on my end why whatever may not have worked but I don't think so. I think it would be mentioned if it could"

She lynched Merc in the end, not wanting to join the Chris train due to him already having enough votes. She inquired about who had been attacked thus far and said it was for a theory she was working on, something we haven't heard about since.

Day 5: Started today saying she would prefer a Drake lynch. Said she wants to hear from Dadd, Vladdy, Merc, myself, and Odd.

Tbh today is the only day she actually seems to be trying to get to the bottom of things, and actually investigating. Her MO before this seemed to be to lynch inactives or lynch someone quiet other than the popular lynch target. On Day 3 she put a late vote on Brian and on Day 4 she put a vote on Merc. I understand the idea of getting the ULT points, but this is why I have been getting the impression that she is non committal and not really trying.

Rose, I'd like to hear what your theory is that you were formulating yesterday.