Dadd @ 9/8/2016 10:34

I thought it interesting that rose brought up an arsonist pretty early in the game. Vern feeding info to the GF?

This would require that Vern investigate Timmah almost immeditaely and that the mafia then kept timmah around, knowing he could burn them down just as likely as anyone. I'd moren likely suspect that had Vern discovered this, the mafia would have used turning timmah out as bad to gain town cred, rather than pulling that Oracle bullshit.

1. I don't think rose would be dumb enough to float info discovered by her team out to the town (for no reason)

2. I don't think she had to stretch her imagination much to figure out the SK was an arsonist/terrorist one. Outside of an inactive SK it's the most common explanation

okie doke

Okay i'm caught up and I'm having a really hard time believe a Vig would wait until night 5 to take a shot at somebody. We have had so many questions about dadds results, If I was a vig I would have definitely taken a shot at somebody on his list of investigations. I never finished reading the last 15 or so pages of day 5, but somebody said timmah hinted at there being a skit. That seems odd to me since I think I've only heard of that happening once or twice before. But still, it is possible. Somebody who knows 317's play style will probably have to make the call. I know for a fact for douchebag glber would wait until night 5 to use their role. I can see waiting until night 2, or MAYBE night 3. But not night 5. Half the fucking people are dead already.

Redster @ 9/8/2016 9:26

I know for a fact NO douchebag glber would wait until night 5 to use their role. I can see waiting until night 2, or MAYBE night 3. But not night 5. Half the fucking people are dead already.

fixed

vladykins @ 9/8/2016 5:46

thisisbad @ 8/8/2016 22:45 Christian @ 8/8/2016 21:43 Dadd @ 8/8/2016 23:42 I dont have anything, I was blocked last night. I need to put on my VT hat and read through the past few days. it would make sense to kill the tracker and block the cop. But why didn't you just say that right away? Why would blocking him do anything? His results haven't been clear so far. Makes me think he's lying even more Because anyone who is paying attention or, alternatively, has a role cop (hello mafia peoples) would know that I could address the ahoda/dr change, clearing six live people. Blocking Dadd if he was checking me stops that and is a great move. It does lead me to believe that at least one GLBer is on mafia; somebody who has experience with how I play knows I tend to have an obscure softclaim D1 or D2. And, as I noted specifically yesterday, anyone trying to run a lynch on me should let me *hardclaim* first, the implication being that I already softclaimed sometime earlier. ;) I believe the following to be town right now: Dadd: alignment cop (the turning up of role cop is one3 reason to spell out this role as "alignment", something I noted earlier in the game. he could be an elaborate ruse, but I don't think so. I also believe he started out insane until "fixed" by ahoda's energizer role) Redster- insane cop investigation said guilty, so he is town brian- insane cop investigation said guilty, so he is town ahoda- his energizer role seems designed to fix town and I theorize that he fixed dadd and could have fixed badger. there are probably other roles that could be helped. After fixing Dadd, he turned up as "town" dr- I think her miller claim is true, based on the guilty dadd got. There was no reason for her to come out as miller when she did and the "guilty" on her would be after ahoda "fixed" dadd. vlady- If my theory above is true, Dadd would have gotten "not guilty" on me last night, if I was his target. Thus confirming all the above.

That is an interesting theory.

I only have one problem with it. If Ahoda "fixes" peoples roles, like in the case of dadd, I wouldn't expect him to also grant an additional use. That's 2 things at once and seems very overpowered if true. Unless you are meaning the fix only applies that night and then goes away?

@Redster: I think something else happened to me that night to flip the results ... imo

Dadd @ 9/8/2016 11:40

@Redster: I think something else happened to me that night to flip the results ... imo

Or as you said, it fixes it for just that night.

With a Weak Doc out there, I can see how his energizer role would be neat. Maybe there are other "flawed" roles out there, that would work correctly when energized?

That would be an interesting dynamic but I don't think my roll fixes anything.

Redster @ 9/8/2016 11:38

That is an interesting theory. I only have one problem with it. If Ahoda "fixes" peoples roles, like in the case of dadd, I wouldn't expect him to also grant an additional use. That's 2 things at once and seems very overpowered if true. Unless you are meaning the fix only applies that night and then goes away?

I don't think that it is overpowered:

1) There are a limited number of "weak" roles that Wikey included, so Ahoda needs to hit the appropriate folks. It also causes confusion, as happened with Dadd's results- why else would Canuck show up guilty (when we know him to be innocent and thus a insane cop result) but the claimed miller also show up as "guilty" (which is what a regular cop would get) and ahoda shows up as "not guilty" (which is what a regular cop would get). Again, this would have been answered if Dadd had been able to investigate me, but he couldn't.

2) One possibility is that it is temporary, in which case dadd would need to be enhanced every night to stay "not insane". This would also have been determined if he investigated me.

The fact that he was blcoked would mean mafia doesn't want to resolve the question. The other big possibility is that Dadd is pulling one over on us, though I still think the fact he had "alignment cop" as his claim and the fact that it would take a pretty elaborate scheme to pull that all off makes it far less likely.

Dadd @ 9/8/2016 11:40

@Redster: I think something else happened to me that night to flip the results ... imo

Do you have any indication of this or just a theory?

Well here is my 2 cents. It may only be worth 1 cent.

Dadd seems okay, he claimed early and a cop fake claim is almost always gonna get cc'ed and that hasn't happened. The fact that mafia let him do his investigation on N4 which caused confusion and then blocked him N5 tells me they did something to confuse the investigations that night and don't want it to get cleared up by further investigations.

Vlady is pushing some "other" explanation for the investigations being weird that involved ahoda's role, and even ahoda himself said...

ahoda @ 9/8/2016 9:47

That would be an interesting dynamic but I don't think my roll fixes anything.

So I think we found our scum angle and I'm gonna add my pressure there.


##lynch vlady

Red, if I didn't think you were town based on Dadd's guilty on you, I'd think you were mafia. :facepalm:


The only other explanations are:

1) dadd is getting insane results still, which makes dr- town (but then why claim miller) and ahoda anti-town.

2) Dadd is lying his ass off.

So, if you can think of a logical reason other than ahoda fixed things for Dadd, either temporarily or permanently, I would love to hear it! Otgherwise, your options are to lynch ahoda or lynch Dadd, because outside of things suddenly working for Dadd, one of them is then a BG.

##unlynch
Thanks for taking out Vernon

Vladdy, can you just spell out what you're claiming? I'm not following.