oh and btw

##unlynch

since I believe canuck for now but I would like to hear more about this "coal". I saw coal mentioned in the write up. Weird that it would kill people but he wouldn't be told that by the mod.

I also have doubts whether you're scum or town, but I felt that the best way to find out for sure is to lynch and to see what your reaction would be. I'm prepared to unlynch and move on, maybe lynch Schrauben or Wikey.

I'm usually wrong, but I'm running low on a list of possibilities and the three of you are my biggest scum reads. It has to do with finding the other players more town for one reason or another.

I am trying to create discussion to help us steer us into the right direction tho, if both of us are town then I think we need to discuss options together.

Jayadamo @ 4/11/2015 11:23

Hermlappen @ 4/11/2015 18:21 Jayadamo @ 4/11/2015 20:13 ##unlynch ##lynch Jayadamo Why are you lynching yourself instead of trying to prove to us that you are town? Easiest way to prove I am town is for my role to be revealed tbh.

you claiming BP?

Hermlappen @ 4/11/2015 18:44

I also have doubts whether you're scum or town, but I felt that the best way to find out for sure is to lynch and to see what your reaction would be. I'm prepared to unlynch and move on, maybe lynch Schrauben or Wikey. I'm usually wrong, but I'm running low on a list of possibilities and the three of you are my biggest scum reads. It has to do with finding the other players more town for one reason or another. I am trying to create discussion to help us steer us into the right direction tho, if both of us are town then I think we need to discuss options together.

Ok, now I just want JC to shoot Wikey.

I would also be up for lynching Wikey to see if he is protecting dylan. That would be too easy though. Don't thing Wikey is that dumb. A schrauben lynch is always a good time. IM317 would be good in my book too.

Redster @ 4/11/2015 18:45

Jayadamo @ 4/11/2015 11:23 Hermlappen @ 4/11/2015 18:21 Jayadamo @ 4/11/2015 20:13 ##unlynch ##lynch Jayadamo Why are you lynching yourself instead of trying to prove to us that you are town? Easiest way to prove I am town is for my role to be revealed tbh. you claiming BP?

Nope

im317 @ 4/11/2015 11:31

i wasn't told it was or was not completed. however Brian told us he was told when he was role blocked, and given him being town he had no reason to lie. i think were talking about different redirector roles, im talking puppet master where they change who i target without knowing my original target.

Why wouldn't they have done this to you sooner? Did you just claim yesterday? If so, that makes sense.

## unlynch for now

im317 claimed Day 2, mafia didn't do anything to him nights 2 or 3.

Hermlappen @ 4/11/2015 11:50

im317 claimed Day 2, mafia didn't do anything to him nights 2 or 3.

Okay now that is weird. If there was a puppet master surely they would have acted on him sooner. Unless the puppet master is 3P and assumed mafia would try to take im317 out right away? Watcher was still in play during that time though. So that is probably why mafia didn't target im317. Seems like the puppet master is a noob, or there isn't one.

Day 5 Vote Count

Jayadamo (2/7) - Herm, Schrauben, Jayadamo
im317 (1/7) - Jayadamo, Henry
Henry (1/7) - Canuck
Redster (1/7) - Wikey
Canuck (0/7) - Timmah, Redster

6 hours and 6 minutes left.

There are some strange things that don't make sense this game.

im317 is withholding who he targeted last night, seemingly for town's best interest. wikey supports this argument as well. so either they're both scum or some of us are scum trying to dig for information. im317 and a few others theorize in the possibility of a puppet master, redirector role to have messed up im317's kill.

But this puppet master didn't mess with im317 nights 2 or 3. Additionally on night 3, this "puppet master" didn't use his action on Buffy or im317 as Buffy was free to roleblock Ari and stop mafia's kill that night and im317 was free to kill Chris.

Why do we take for granted that there's a puppet master? It just doesn't add up.

i have weighted the potential effects and i think i should say who i killed because its valuable to the town if there is a bus driver and of little value to the mafia if i was targeted by a puppet master.

i tried to kill Redster since he didn't show up day 3 or 4. we have to many low activity players hanging around imo.

Can a redirection/bus be part of a JOAT mafia role? It could be a 1-time use, same as the 1-time silence thing. It just doesn't make sense as a whole role with all these power roles left to do whatever they want at night.

##unlynch
##lynch Wikey

im317 @ 4/11/2015 13:31

Timmah @ 4/11/2015 14:26 im317 @ 4/11/2015 13:19 question for the people asking me who i tried to kill last night. in what way does that info help the town? if my action was redirected to a different person as opposed to being bused from person A to person B then saying who i was trying to kill gives scum new information. giving scum that info could effect who they think is good to keep alive, where as i dont see how that info helps town. I keep saying this but if there is a town redirector or bus driver, then it's likely they know who is scum from the lack on mafia kill on night 2, or if not precisely they'd know between 2 players. If that's the case then they suck for not offering anything of value all game despite having this info. If the redirection role (if there is one at all) is scum, they already know the info. If it's a bus driver and its mafia aligned, you telling us your target pretty much gives us scum to lynch. I'm just saying. There may not be a redirection role in play at all, but if you were redirected then it makes more sense to say from who imo. Scum already has more info than town, so keeping info from the town when you've already claimed is not helpful. Were you told your action was completed? i wasn't told it was or was not completed. however Brian told us he was told when he was role blocked, and given him being town he had no reason to lie. i think were talking about different redirector roles, im talking puppet master where they change who i target without knowing my original target.

You serious Clark? Let's look at our options here:

Option 1: We assume there is a redirection type of role out there:

(a) A puppet master is likely to have the same puppet until that one dies - I seriously doubt we have that.

(b) A redirector would change your target to a target of their choosing. If we have one of those, and it's a scum role, why did they not do that before now? It's essentially an extra kill and you have been claimed for days now. I doubt we have a scum redirector. If it's a town redirector, then my statements above stand and they need to tell us who they sent buffy to RB on N2.

(c) A bus driver would swap 2 roles and would've had to get lucky to swap your target with another. If it's a town role, again, they should probably claim because that's a shit role for the town to start with and it's just causing confusion. If it's a scum role, which is more likely, they already know who was swapped and it's 99.9% likely they swapped one of their own members with rose or buffy - so you telling us your original target would give us scum to lynch.

All of these add up to you needing to tell us the info that you have.

Option 2: There is no redirection role out there. You telling us your target still doesn't help scum more than it potentially helps the town.

The longer you balk at giving us the info you have, the more inclined I am to believe you do not have the best interests of the town at heart. The idea that giving us what you know hurts the town and helps the mafia/scum is not only not true, but is a cop-out. It makes me believe you are protecting yourself instead of the town or you are protecting others.