Angi @ 28/4/2016 10:03

Timmah @ 28/4/2016 10:03 This is really pretty interesting. In 99.9% of the games over here, when someone survives a kill and there is not an accounted for reason, they get lynched. And about 90% of the time, they flip scum of some fashion. And rarely is there much push back from more than the person who survived and maybe 1-2 others. Contrast to this game, where Lamps survives a kill attempt and has 5-6 people defending him pretty damn hard. Strange, because the last like five games I've played in here, everyone bitches if we target someone who survives a kill. Sometimes they're scum, sometimes they're bullet proof, sometimes they're the fucking doctor

I've played two here, ATTWS VI and Fallout IV.

ATTWS VI had 3/4 when I was still alive scum/total survivor (Vini, Ida, Harry, and Dolly). I forget if Gavin and Silas were outed by failed kill attempts or not- I'd have to go back and look.

In Fallout, jay survived (and was outed cult), and Ari was mafia BP.

Angi @ 28/4/2016 10:03

Timmah @ 28/4/2016 10:03 This is really pretty interesting. In 99.9% of the games over here, when someone survives a kill and there is not an accounted for reason, they get lynched. And about 90% of the time, they flip scum of some fashion. And rarely is there much push back from more than the person who survived and maybe 1-2 others. Contrast to this game, where Lamps survives a kill attempt and has 5-6 people defending him pretty damn hard. Strange, because the last like five games I've played in here, everyone bitches if we target someone who survives a kill. Sometimes they're scum, sometimes they're bullet proof, sometimes they're the fucking doctor

The bitching typically has come from those who were outed as scum because they survived an attack. At least that's how I remember it. I'm not saying it makes him 100% scum, as Christian could have thrown a curveball in to move the group away from the groupthink of "must lynch anyone who survives an attack". But, let's not pretend that when someone survives an attack in a mafia game on FE that (1) they aren't almost always lynched, and (2) they don't flip scum more often than not.

Bringing up ATTWS doesn't work, I wasn't paying attention

All I know is lately the people surviving attacks lately have been over looked.

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 11:13

In Fallout, jay survived (and was outed cult)

Jay was not lynched and went on to win lol SEE, not always targeted for lynching because of surviving an attack

-dr @ 28/4/2016 10:06

Hi checking in between classes so can't say much. I've mostly caught up though Lamps's survival isnt that suspicious really. Night 1 there are a lot of reasons for someone to survive. The REACTION is really interesting though. It seems like a lot of pushing in both directions. The meta about survivals at FE always being scum is seeing off some red flags for me. Survivals usually get heat, but the reason so many we lynch flip scum is because we usually lynch when there's a good chance they are scum. Also how often Lamps is the N1 target? I'm remembering Sherlock mafia and maybe one other before or after that, but otherwise I dunno. Can't check now tho

I have limited mafia experience here, so I'm not metaing that much. But I do know the scum rate for survivors of the two games I have played, coupled with Lamps pushing the "JC was killed by vig" comment is what makes Lamps look bad in my book.

Angi @ 28/4/2016 10:19

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 11:13 In Fallout, jay survived (and was outed cult) Jay was not lynched and went on to win lol SEE, not always targeted for lynching because of surviving an attack

Yep- we gave scum a pass and he won the whole game. :rofl:

I'd like someone to explain to me why a vig would want to target someone who frustratedly claimed VT on D1?

Angi @ 28/4/2016 10:19

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 11:13 In Fallout, jay survived (and was outed cult) Jay was not lynched and went on to win lol SEE, not always targeted for lynching because of surviving an attack

And he survived because of Doc and Bodyguard

You mean the person who self voted and wanted to die? I don't know, you tell me.

Timmah @ 28/4/2016 10:23

I'd like someone to explain to me why a vig would want to target someone who frustratedly claimed VT on D1?

1. No better idea of who to kill
2. Vig is a bastard GHB'er that thought killing Spin would be funny

Lamps better be posting a claim right now.

I'm going to my work lunch at City Taphouse. I'll try not to be durnk when I return.

vladykins @ 28/4/2016 11:26

I'm going to my work lunch at City Taphouse. I'll try not to be durnk when I return.

I'll meet you there. ;)

Curtis/Lamps connection noted.