Grimapple @ 16/6/2014 0:52

Nobert @ 16/6/2014 0:49 Not even a moonboy mention :( We could've at least had Lancel. At least we saw that stuff happen!

Lancel is the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms. He needs to return

10 months...



To start reading or wait it out

i really liked it, easily the best finale. it's had the season 4 problem of being DISJOINTED but most every scene was really strong so it worked for me. In particular the deaths of the Hound and Tywin, which I know really rankled you guys (:

My issue with the Hound is more that I don't know why they didn't just go for the book death. But that would have kept a lot of great moments from coming out, like his fight with Brienne, his conversations with Arya, etc. I guess I'm just wondering if the fun of that dynamic was really worth it, even though it made his death a lot more impactful. That scene was such a bummer, with him doing his best to get her to kill him. IT HURT ME

The whole Tyrion segment was really good as well. I know I'm one of the few who liked Shae ( (: ) and I really liked how it was handled. I didn't get the sense that it was meant to be satisfactory for people who wanted her dead. Tyrion was horrified by it, and it was done out of self-defense rather than because of her betrayal. From what I understand the books do it totally differently.

Tywin's death was also really good. I liked how UNDIGNIFIED it was, that it didn't really give him time to say his piece. Tyrion didn't want that, and even though I loved the character, I don't think he could have gotten a better death. The JOAK would have been silly too in my stupid opinion (:

no i don't care about bran maybe something interesting will happen but it hasn't yet

because we all knew it would happen:

Just watched Tywin's death again and I THINK I HATE IT!!

Not sure what else I would've wanted. Probably something to show off how great Charles Dance is a little bit more. If not during his actual death, then earlier in the episode or a few more Tywin scenes in the past few. His scene with Cersei helped but I want more! A final Tywin/Jamie scene at the very least. Or Tywin visiting Tyrion in the dungeon earlier in the episode maybe

so sad to see Tywin and the Hound gone :(

Someone explain to me what happened with The Mountain... is he dead or is he about to come back alive as some freakishly overpowered villain?

No spoilers plz. I want theories or just don't speak at all for you book readers.

Pa Hupu @ 16/6/2014 1:43

Tyrion was horrified by it, and it was done out of self-defense rather than because of her betrayal. From what I understand the books do it totally differently.

eh, I disagree. ULTIMATELY it was out of self-defense, but if that's all it was then he could've just turned around as soon as he heard it was her and not Tywin in the bed. I think him approaching the bed in the first place meant he wanted SOME kind of confrontation

yeah but I don't think he had any intention of killing her until she pulled out the knife, and even then he was obviously regretful. I think a JOAK after Tywin's death would have made it worse as well, because Tyrion isn't happy about any of this, and I don't think any of the viewers were supposed to be either. I really liked that neither of the kills were meant to be INDULGENT, but more a reflection of how low Tyrion's sunk.

They changed the Tyrion/Tywin quite significantly, but I think it was for the best.

Biggest changes from the book scene	+
- Tyrion and Jamie have a confrontation about some Tysha related shit, during which Tyrion tells Jamie he did kill Joffrey. - Shae doesn't try to attack Tyrion, she begs for mercy and Tyrion strangles her! - Tyrion asks Tywin where Tysha is before he kills him. - Oh, and Tywin shits himself (:

I don't think they could have done the scene like that. Show Tyrion and book Tyrion are not the same. It would seem out of character. And the Tysha stuff dominates the scene in the books, which would have been distracting and out of place in the show, given that the majority of viewers don't read the books, and Tysha has been mentioned, what, once? In season 1?

Only one thing about the episode pissed me off, which should go without saying, but anyway...

Huge Spoilers!

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Super cereal! Big Spoilers + It is your own damn fault if you click again! + Where the fuck was Stoneheart? I mean seriously, what the fuck? The season and the final episode itself set it up perfectly! Hints have been dropped all season. The finale's theme even seemed to be pointing towards it for fucks sake. But no. Instead of revealing her this year whilst the Red Wedding still a lot of resonance with viewers, they are going to wait until season 5 where she will show up out of the blue two whole years since viewers last saw her! That's assuming they are going to show her at all. They have to right? Surely they would have announced it if not. I can't help but feel they saved her for S5 because there aren't going to be as many shocking moments next season. But that reasoning sucks if so. All that is going to happen is in a years time she and the BWB will show up and most people will be like: "lol who r these guys?" "Oh I think I remembered them. They R the Brotherhood of who gives a fuck! And that is Kate. She was at the red wedding...i think.

This season marks the point where the show is going to become increasingly challenging to adapt.

Given that there will be more new characters and plot lines introduced in S5, and the difficulty this season seemed to have juggling the many storylines already, I am a bit nervous!

Plus, they are going to be delving even further into character arcs that have yet to happen on page.

idgaf i just like the martells
#housemartell4life
#dornishhouses4life
#dorne4life

If Martin would write the fucking books the show would have less difficulties

Wikey @ 16/6/2014 11:14

They changed the Tyrion/Tywin quite significantly, but I think it was for the best. Biggest changes from the book scene + - Tyrion and Jamie have a confrontation about some Tysha related shit, during which Tyrion tells Jamie he did kill Joffrey. - Shae doesn't try to attack Tyrion, she begs for mercy and Tyrion strangles her! - Tyrion asks Tywin where Tysha is before he kills him. - Oh, and Tywin shits himself (: I don't think they could have done the scene like that. Show Tyrion and book Tyrion are not the same. It would seem out of character. And the Tysha stuff dominates the scene in the books, which would have been distracting and out of place in the show, given that the majority of viewers don't read the books, and Tysha has been mentioned, what, once? In season 1? Only one thing about the episode pissed me off, which should go without saying, but anyway... Huge Spoilers! + Super cereal! Big Spoilers + It is your own damn fault if you click again! + Where the fuck was Stoneheart? I mean seriously, what the fuck? The season and the final episode itself set it up perfectly! Hints have been dropped all season. The finale's theme even seemed to be pointing towards it for fucks sake. But no. Instead of revealing her this year whilst the Red Wedding still a lot of resonance with viewers, they are going to wait until season 5 where she will show up out of the blue two whole years since viewers last saw her! That's assuming they are going to show her at all. They have to right? Surely they would have announced it if not. I can't help but feel they saved her for S5 because there aren't going to be as many shocking moments next season. But that reasoning sucks if so. All that is going to happen is in a years time she and the BWB will show up and most people will be like: "lol who r these guys?" "Oh I think I remembered them. They R the Brotherhood of who gives a fuck! And that is Kate. She was at the red wedding...i think.

you summed up my frustration perfectly

Drrr @ 16/6/2014 11:39

If Martin would write the fucking books the show would have less difficulties

how do you mean?