Ah, thank you for explaining Paul, I was so freaking confused.

I would have to say that I disagree with Rob's attempts on D1 making JJ auto-scum. I know I was hesitant to lynch her then, as were others.

I don't have a better suggestion as to who we should lynch, I just have a gut feeling that she is town.

Rob was trying to divert the train whilst JJ was still an inactive for this game, though. She had yet to arrive to make a post at that point. At that point as Day 1 trains go, it was a logical one. Not a good one, but it was at least a target that made sense.

Rob attempted to divert it onto three targets that made very little sense. On his list of three (Matt, Greenday and Curtis) only Matt had any kind of valid suspicion on him at that point. And for Curtis and Greenday to be suspcious, you would have to first assume that Matt was scum and then go off the argument that those two were defending their scumbuddy.

So it doesn't even connect because there was nothing to even heavily imply Matt was mafia at that point.

And I'm not saying it makes her auto-scum, I'm saying that a known and outed mafia player was shushing the train away from a logical target. If JJ was town, why would Rob put himself out there to intervene? He wouldn't care that a random townie was getting lynched. It would mean absolutely nothing to him.

The very fact that lynch meant something to him is highly suspicious in my opinion and it's the most important thing we have to look at right now.

Frankly the argument that Rob wouldn't put himself out there at all is weak. If there was a majority target on a mafia player on day one, somebody would try to divert that train. It would be fairly easy for him to argue his way past it if the lynch were successful. He really lost nothing by trying until his own alignment was revealed.

Following JJ's arrival, people very quickly shifted to a random target. That target was Vernon, which in itself is fair game, it just seemed to happen awfully quickly. There was something unnatural about the pace and the readiness everybody had to just up and swap over. It didn't, and still doesn't feel right to me.

well alright then!

NOT TO JUMP ON ANY TRAIN HERE, but I completely actually agree with Paul on that front. It only seems reasonable that Rob would defend JJ if she was scum - especially when at that point she was considered inactive.

Nofo @ 8/8/2013 11:36

But why would he make such an obvious mistake by clearly defending his buddy? I'm not saying that's reason to dismiss it but it doesn't really make sense.

Still catching up on the thread, and I'll comment more when I do, but this is the smartest thing I've read so far.

JJ @ 8/8/2013 19:01

Nofo @ 8/8/2013 11:36 But why would he make such an obvious mistake by clearly defending his buddy? I'm not saying that's reason to dismiss it but it doesn't really make sense. Still catching up on the thread, and I'll comment more when I do, but this is the smartest thing I've read so far.

Why would I make that same mistake when it came to Matt if Matt and I were scumbuddies (:

I wouldn't, but some people still wanted to kill me and it all stemmed from that. I'd have to check Rob's post again but I felt like he wasn't going out of his way to blatantly protect JJ. He just had that one post about it and it was pretty half assed. He was just like, hey let's check out literally anyone else who could get lynched over JJ instead

I dunno about JJ. I could see how Rob would defend her if he was scum, but I think he was trying to guise himself as a helpful town person who would rather lynch someone who was "obviously scum" over someone that was inactive. I can see it going either way, but I think I'm leaning towards her being scum.

I don't think saying "he wouldn't make an obvious mistake" is a very good argument. Mafia players make mistakes all the time. Moreover, it wasn't even a mistake.

Matt @ 9/8/2013 0:09

I dunno about JJ. I could see how Rob would defend her if he was scum, but I think he was trying to guise himself as a helpful town person who would rather lynch someone who was "obviously scum" over someone that was inactive. I can see it going either way, but I think I'm leaning towards her being scum.

I could buy that too, I just don't see any other decent lynch targets as of yet. This to me just feels like the most likely.

I just read back through Day 1 and the only scummy thing I could see Curtis doing would be to try to defend someone that mafia is trying to make their scapegoat. If that makes any sense. Like, trying to make us seem like scumbuddies so if he dies and is revealed to be scum I'm the next big town target? I dunno, I don't think I even truly buy it but at this point of the game where we don't have anything to go off of I thought I may as well post my thoughts.

Alright, I just read through this and I think Paul is going after me pretty hard for something which doesn't seem to be a major thing imo. It really did make sense for people not to lynch me as an inactive and I would probably look at the ones who were initially doing so, knowing I was probably not going to be an inactive or quiet player in the game. As for Rob, I agree he was probably just trying to sound like a helpful townie when he did it. Wiffom maybe but in this case it makes the most sense. Plus, how is this "conclusive evidence?"

What boy were you searching for, Paul? I would like you to claim since you say it wouldn't hurt to do so.

Also, do we know Samm is a PGO or vigilante but not his alignment?

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I agree with Paul regarding JJ, I was publicly speaking against her last round also. I found her behavior to be curious.

Also despite rob 'clearing' matt, I don't trust him at all. His first day actions made him (followed by JJ) my most suspicious player. He started off with the silly band wagon, followed by being very defensive and then he just randomly bandwagon the vernon lynch at the end; my problem with this was everyone was like "yah it's vernon, he is worst town blah blah' but matt stated many times this was his first mafia game with us and was confused and hence he shouldn't have these pre-conceived notions on vernon and hence his vernon vote was a 'jumping on bandwagon' moment in the trust sense. DO NOT TRUST AT ALL!

how plausible is it to think rob may have been playing the distancing game with his scum buddies on the public front?

Am happy to lynch either JJ or Matt.