Here's a collection of running commentary from me and Buffy if it interests you!

Day 1 + Night 1

Buffy @ 2/12/2019 3:34

317's response to his role PM (Resurrector): well this is a big responsibility lol'd

wikey @ 3/12/2019 2:37

A standard D1. Lots of shitposting culminating in a lynch on a no show. It's too bad TT's bastard role didn't get the chance to cause some confusion.

wikey @ 3/12/2019 21:56

Cody I was going to suggest if someone is good at pretending to have a typing style of someone else we could try that with the prisoner! Love this idea. I hope the prisoner dynamic lasts long enough for some of these ideas to play out.

Day 2 + Night 2

wikey @ 4/12/2019 2:24

Timmah I asked who the prisoner is and told them to post “farlig is a dirty scum ho” in their first post of day 2. LOL

Buffy @ 4/12/2019 3:02

Herm @ 3/12/2019 22:24 God bless the Queen! Herm @ 3/12/2019 22:24 Because she certainly wasn't saved. <3

wikey @ 4/12/2019 16:59

I'd hate it if Lamps took a shot at Jamie because of Christian's lie detect

Buffy @ 4/12/2019 17:23

Yeah idt Lamps would do that since he's getting lynched... I mean if people unlynch but Lamps doesn't believe Jamie then he could but I feel its obv Jamie isn't lying. Even tho I know I think I would believe him as town. Also we made Lamps' job hard lol

wikey @ 4/12/2019 17:31

Lamps is a cautious player so you're probably right, he'll bide his time and wait for a better opportunity.

wikey @ 4/12/2019 17:36

Things are getting interesting now. Jamie's Day 1 breadcrumb is proving invaluable. I'm rooting for him.

wikey @ 4/12/2019 17:38

Christian I'm not changing MY vote. I thought Christian might be more open to believing Jamie! I understand why he's standing his ground though

wikey @ 4/12/2019 17:46

Nav Why is the Prisoner helping us though ... That's a good question! Farlig is showing no signs of putting up a fight haha. I guess from his perspective he has no idea that someone is actively searching for him. Still, you'd think he'd try to undermine them in some way. Maybe he's got a master plan and he's just not letting on yet.

wikey @ 4/12/2019 18:13

Quote Maybe we can redirect TiB hoping he's the doc and then ninja kill Christian? Oh my god

Buffy @ 4/12/2019 18:16

Sounds like no one can wrap their head around the fact that we would make the miller fail a lie detector... town deserves to lose another town tbh. Seems all the rational people are in the mafia team so they're not going to help. Sorry but I give Christian hof at wasting his one time lie detector shot on a soft-claiming Miller.

Buffy @ 4/12/2019 18:22

tchill is my favorite townie so far. He's also the only one willing to see reason lol... loved his comment on why Christian would use a lie detector on a professed Miller lol... Also love his avatar lol Next is Penner

wikey @ 4/12/2019 18:32

The Mafia: Completely intact, no one getting heat. Farlig is cooperating with them and is showing no signs of struggle. They might be about to learn the identity of both SK's, info which Nav can utilise to effectively give the mafia control of 2 kills a night. Town: Wasted one of their best, most powerful roles on the only player it would fail on. About to lynch town once again, and showing no signs of finding scum anytime soon. SK's: Soon to be Mafia's bitch? It's early, but it's clear who is in the ascendancy here. A lot can change yet of course. Most of towns power roles look safe for the moment, and I think Jamie's lynch (if it happens) will make them a bit more cautious.

wikey @ 4/12/2019 21:57

Right, time to write a stupid flavour about a dog getting lynched. I hope we don't have to use it. Jamie has the potential to be a voice of reason for the town.

wikey @ 4/12/2019 23:35

Brian is on point today

Buffy @ 5/12/2019 2:03

wikey @ 4/12/2019 20:57 Buffy @ 5/12/2019 1:54 Oh no, Nav is suggesting killing Brian. :( Sad lol. Good for mafia though. They're kinda killing it. Pun intended. What's to be sad about? WIFOM Oh yeah I forgot haha.

Buffy @ 5/12/2019 2:13

lol Primate is "marrying" Christian & Brian... The two worst people since one or both may be dead by the end of tomorrow. If Christian is killed tonight it will just be a failed action. Honestly, I'm surprised he's doing this since Christian is likely to be killed - if not tonight, soon. We could possibly have a Mason team who can talk about WIFOM together tomorrow lol.

Buffy @ 5/12/2019 2:17

wikey @ 4/12/2019 21:15 Credit to Christian btw. Targeting Jamie wasn't the best use of his role, sure, but he seems to have successfully fooled scum into thinking he has multiple uses of his role. Goading them into attacking him is a good move. I agree. I know his intent was to take a hit and protect town power roles and it seems he probably succeeded. Interesting that Nav wants to let Christian live (risky but good call in this case). Cody is panicking and wants Christian dead. I bet the rest of the scum team wants him dead, also. It'll also be interesting if/when Curtis starts playing lol.

Buffy @ 5/12/2019 2:46

humperdinck @ 4/12/2019 21:43 Too bad we don’t have a silencer lol you almost did... would've been fun tbh but the mafia is powered up enough!

Buffy @ 5/12/2019 2:47

I love this mafia team, btw. They're all active and giving input!

Buffy @ 5/12/2019 3:47

Also I'm honestly glad (for town's sake) if Mafia uses/wastes their ninja kill on Christian. That's a HOF for Christian if they do.

Buffy @ 5/12/2019 14:52

This game may last a while at this rate lol

wikey @ 5/12/2019 16:36

That's not a problem with me after the last we hosted. Battlestar lasted what, four days? Scum walked that game. Hoping scum don't walk this one too...I want to see a good contest.

Day 3 + Night 3

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 2:24

vizzini @ 5/12/2019 21:14 Would be funny if TIB survived on N1 because he's SK and there was no second kill on N2 because we blocked him That would be hilarious.

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 2:28

yellin @ 5/12/2019 20:27 Ahoda could still be a killer. Maybe an odd night killer. Nailed it, Cody lol

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 3:33

farlig @ 5/12/2019 23:27 Gmaj7 @ 5/12/2019 22:25 Dude I loved farlig’s broken popcorn emoji. Can you put it back with this :farlig: ? Free farlig! Or at least his popcorn emoji! Ooh here we go. Farlig signalling to Brian. Mafia will catch this, though. idk if Brian will. Glad he's trying but since he revealed himself already.. well idk it's a difficult situation for him all the way around. Brian said he's going through the gays to find Princess Buttercup so he's not going to pick Farlig anytime soon unless he sees this, which he may. I'm rambling lol.

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 3:44

Funny thing is he quoted Gmaj to signal and Gmaj ran right to the mafia forum, reported him, and asked if it's time to kill him lol.

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 3:46

oh geez, sounds like Gmaj is going rogue and has decided he's killing Farlig lol - idk if he PMd "Wuffy" - I guess I'll check. I would be kinda mad if I was mafia and he did this without their consent.

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 5:20

WELP Farlig said "Free Farlig", Gmaj freaked out and now we've lost the prisoner role lol. Oh well, it was essentially vanilla anyway, Brian probably wouldn't have chosen Farlig if he hadn't signaled and mafia was lame by barely interacting with the prisoner. I don't blame him for being bored and trying something in the game thread lol.

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 6:19

im317 @ 6/12/2019 2:17 let me see if i understand this. mafia was the only people who could kill Farlig. they also did not know Farlig was the person they were looking to kill. so mafia used a day kill(separate from there kill the prisoner thing?? or part of that?) on Farlig. so either they got lucky(or unlucky if it was not part of the prisoner thing) or they figured out Farlig's hint. i need to take a break for the night. starting to hurt my head. lol 317's posts are so scummy even when he's town

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 7:35

Spin @ 6/12/2019 2:51 Kudos to Buffy (or Wikey, but probably Buffy) for the creative Buttercup role. Nice work. Remind me to tell him after the game it was KC lol

wikey @ 6/12/2019 11:08

lol to be fair to Gmaj, there was no way they could let that stand. Glad finally tried something. It might not seem like much, but mafia losing that number is a loss. I really hope shade gets thrown at Gmaj because of Farlig quoting him when he made his hint

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 15:42

Also, not saying the killers are chauvinists or anything but only women (and a dog which may have been a female) have died so far lol.

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 16:52

Herm @ 6/12/2019 9:56 Gmaj, hello my man! You scum? Herm @ 6/12/2019 12:48 Speaking of TIB, is he also scum? Herm @ 6/12/2019 12:49 I personally think Havo is town ftr. Herm @ 6/12/2019 12:49 Timmah, you town right? Herm stop they're def going to kill you haha.

wikey @ 6/12/2019 16:55

This town is terrible so far

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 17:37

I think Lamps/Brian are town's only hope right now. I really hope Cody gets lynched today. Mafia needs to take a hit. Also, can you imagine how powerful mafia is going to be near end game with Curtis's 2 vote steals?

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 17:39

And mafia is talking about redirecting Ahoda's kill again tonight. I think Mafia may try to kill TIB again, thinking he's doc. He'll survive and possibly take a shot at mafia on Night 4. I'm really hoping for this lol.

wikey @ 6/12/2019 17:42

Yeah Lamps and Brian have looked good. I like that Lamps is on Cody's case. If he lives long enough I could see him taking a shot at him actually

Buffy @ 6/12/2019 17:43

Please let Lamps/Brian both live long enough to use their WIFOM/Dueling roles.

wikey @ 6/12/2019 23:54

I hope this Penner train picks up and he cancels the lynch That would be great

wikey @ 7/12/2019 0:11

He did it!

wikey @ 7/12/2019 0:38

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 0:36 wikey @ 6/12/2019 19:34 sry disappeared for a bit there. What about tchill? "tchill is mayor confirmed to be town" will be my n3 action. haha wtf is his game plan here?

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 0:49

If Mafia uses their janitor/kill on Primate or Herm tonight, I could see 317 reviving them, thinking mafia probably janitored them to claim their role. I do think it's very backwards of mafia to janitor someone without even knowing their role. They're not going to be able to fake those roles... well unless they have two mafia pretend to be masons lol. They can't fake watcher results though. Why don't they rolecop first? I guess because they thought they needed to use the ninja last night.

wikey @ 7/12/2019 1:56

If this Cody lynch goes ahead it's pure luck on towns part

wikey @ 7/12/2019 1:58

Cody should claim a PR too.

wikey @ 7/12/2019 1:59

Or he could tell everyone to fuck off haha

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 2:09

wikey @ 6/12/2019 21:01 Nav's gonna look good after this flip Spider's gonna look bad lol

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 7:25

It sounded like Mafia was going to redirect Ahoda tonight which would have gotten them an extra kill. Nav's latest post is suggesting they redirect TIB instead. This Odd/Even night SK team is confusing them, which is good. Who knows who Ahoda will pick to kill (he's very unpredictable) and if he's not impeded by Mafia, it could be one of them lol. If I had to guess right now I might say Ahoda chooses to kill Curtis.

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 7:26

Cody was probably the loudest advocate that Ahoda is a killer and he's gone now.

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 7:44

I actually like Nav's first set of options because it gives town a better chance. If Herm is killed and not janitored, 317 most certainly resurrects him, Ahoda gets a kill in (unless it's on Curtis and Mafia protects Curtis), and they rolecop Havo which is a big fat waste. Primate gets blocked in this scenario so we get no Masons (yet) but, meh, Primate would probably not pick right anyway.

wikey @ 7/12/2019 12:28

That Cody lynch was timely indeed. I don't think it's shifted the balance away from Mafia just yet, but they aren't looking unstoppable anymore. I hope they survive intact tonight but yeah, that depends on Ahoda. I was a bit harsh on town maybe. Lamps is playing well and he was the one who pushed for Cody based on vibes. Good instincts from him, and those who agreed with him.

wikey @ 7/12/2019 12:34

Going forward, I think Timmah and Nav stand the best chance of lasting to the late game. Curtis will inevitably get heat at some point and it will come down to whether he can be assed to navigate himself out of it or not. Spider is an unknown quantity for me. She's making some long posts in the thread and making a good effort to blend in, so maybe she can last a while too. Gmaj, I think, will be the next one in danger of getting lynched. There's been a couple of townies calling him out already, though nothing serious yet.

wikey @ 7/12/2019 12:40

Spider's nurse claim isn't going to work, I hope she changes her mind. It's the go to fake claim.

wikey @ 7/12/2019 12:45

This is what Brian should do now: Try and lure Mafia to attack him by implying he has a PR of some sort

wikey @ 7/12/2019 14:40

Do you think there is any conscious strategy behind Havo's posts? Is he perhaps trying to lure scum?

wikey @ 7/12/2019 14:43

Nav as Vizzini just feels so right

wikey @ 7/12/2019 14:51

Quote You guys can all claim the town version of your real role. Timmah would have to lie about the specifics of JOAT. Gmaj is kind of right. Timmah can pass himself off as JOAT. He will have to invent some alternative actions though. Spider can claim Doctor. If the Reviver is outed, town might be sceptical, but the lack of a counterclaim will really help sell it. (I figure Mafia will work out there is no town doctor eventually) Nav can claim Redirector or Bus Driver. Curtis could claim Vote Stealer I suppose..but that role is generally scummy. Might be safer with a vanilla claim. Not sure what Gmaj could claim. Speaking of Josh...why is nobody talking about the fact that he claimed Roleblocker? Perhaps they might want to consider taking him out?

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 16:35

wikey @ 7/12/2019 9:40 Do you think there is any conscious strategy behind Havo's posts? Is he perhaps trying to lure scum? Good question.. I wanted to ask him what his reasons were for thinking Penner was town. He said they were non role related. There's obviously no way he would know from his role so I'm just curious. I am hoping they cop him lol.

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 16:36

wikey @ 7/12/2019 9:43 Nav as Vizzini just feels so right I know!!! And he would probably agree if he would just watch the movie lol

Night 3 Continued...

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 16:39

wikey @ 7/12/2019 9:51 Gmaj You guys can all claim the town version of your real role. Timmah would have to lie about the specifics of JOAT. Gmaj is kind of right. Timmah can pass himself off as JOAT. He will have to invent some alternative actions though. Spider can claim Doctor. If the Reviver is outed, town might be sceptical, but the lack of a counterclaim will really help sell it. (I figure Mafia will work out there is no town doctor eventually) Nav can claim Redirector or Bus Driver. Curtis could claim Vote Stealer I suppose..but that role is generally scummy. Might be safer with a vanilla claim. Not sure what Gmaj could claim. Speaking of Josh...why is nobody talking about the fact that he claimed Roleblocker? Perhaps they might want to consider taking him out? I think Nav suggested using TIB to take Josh out, which obviously won't work. Curtis is redirecting Ahoda which would be a good idea if they listen. I think if Cody were alive he would agree with curtis.

Buffy @ 7/12/2019 16:40

Lol plz plz let Nav attack Brian at some point so we can have Westley/Vizzini WIFOM.

wikey @ 7/12/2019 16:41

Worst outcome would be that Brian is never attacked. I need to see WIFOM happen no matter who plays it

wikey @ 7/12/2019 16:51

Ahoda ##kill nav Oh shit

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 1:05

As of now the mafia is making overall very good moves that are going to help them but hurt our entertainment lol.

Day 4 + Night 4

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 4:25

Basically Mafia can win it in 2-3 days if they don't get lynched/killed first. Lamps can really step up for town if he can pick out a mafia player today. I could see him go after Spider, for one. Other than Lamps, I think Brian/Spin are the two top hopes. And Josh, of course. While the two SKs sit around surviving but not getting their kills through lol.

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 4:28

I can see the comments now if Mafia walks to the end - we OVERPOWERED THEM! Too bad about 317 - I was hoping he would survive and could bring back Herm or someone. Would've been good if he brought back Christian yesterday, in retrospect of course. Or even Farlig - again in retrospect lol.

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 8:07

Lamps @ 8/12/2019 3:58 Ok maybe we should focus on Spin and Gmaj. I want both of them dead today so let’s increase the pressure and both tell me why you’re not scum. Still keeping Nav in mind as an option in case you both have a good case. ##lynch gmaj lol I love "take charge Lamps" #townslasthope

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 8:08

Lamps better use his action today because he's definitely dying tonight imo.

wikey @ 8/12/2019 12:59

Lamps has potential to turn this around. Tight contest atm

wikey @ 8/12/2019 13:13

Nav There's also the Prisoner related role out there as well based on garlic's flip. brian could be that role maybe. I'll go back and read his and other's posts after garlic's death. That role could be a decent one to janitor. Yes please

wikey @ 8/12/2019 13:24

So Lamps has called out Gmaj, Curtis and Nav in the day thread...he's deffo gearing up to take a shot at someone. Whether that's today or tomorrow is another question. I hope today because I agree with you, he won't survive the night. He's also considering Spin. That would suck, but it would clear Spin at least I suppose. But they really need to hit Mafia again.

wikey @ 8/12/2019 13:28

This game is a good example of how those first random actions can really dictate the way a game goes. On night 1, Christian had the worst luck by targeting his lie detector at the only person it would fail on. Whereas Mafia had the best luck by targeting the odd night SK with a redirect. It is, dare I say, inconceivable, that they managed to follow that up by targeting the even night SK immediately afterwards. Ridiculously lucky. Not to take anything away from them, they've capitalised on that luck and forced their advantage.

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 16:45

Yeah, all the mafia is getting heat now. I'd say except Timmah. Gmaj was the only person to put him on his scum list, I think. Not sure his reasoning because if I were town I would have Timmah higher right now. Honestly if I were scum I'd be so nervous about what Gmaj was going to say next lol

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 18:08

Josh after Spin's Tracker claim, forced out by Lamps: Josh @ 8/12/2019 13:59 Well, that is not a cute moment for town, now is it? lol'd

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 18:29

Spin @ 8/12/2019 14:25 I'm still waiting on Lamps to fucking return and explain himself. Spin waiting for Lamps to "explain himself" is like Jamie waiting for Christian to apologize.

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 18:42

I kind of want him to kill Gmaj before he has a chance to claim cop lol... since no one's going to cc him. If he killed Nav (which I could see), SK team is FREE! lol Actually I'd like him to kill Timmah so he gets the extra kill. I'm rooting for town > mafia > TIB > Ahoda but at least if mafia wins I want it to be a contest. It will suck if mafia doesn't take some hit today lol.

wikey @ 8/12/2019 18:45

I'm just rooting for Lamps. He's had a good game.

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 18:45

Either way - if one of the main characters is killed by Lamps - or if he dies instead - we should take a bit of time with the flavor because it's fun. Actually ESPECIALLY if he kills GMAJ! (who I forgot is 6-fingered man not Timmah so scratch what I said about Timmah above! I want Brian to kill Timmah lol)

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 18:58

Gmaj is trying to look scummy, apparently. Man, if he claims cop - c'mon Lamps hurry up lol.

wikey @ 8/12/2019 19:09

Not sure I understand this strategy of deliberately getting oneself lynched

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 19:14

Yeah - Gmaj just claimed cop. Well, I honestly think this may cause Lamps to kill Nav and that decision could backfire on mafia since they need Nav more than they need Gmaj. I get they're thinking they'll draw out a cop with this but js. idk, maybe Lamps doesn't buy it. Also lol that he put TIB on his list as good so TIB/Ahoda now know he's lying.

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 19:18

haha yes Gmaj was too hasty with his results and Lamps caught him thread is locked... any duel ideas? obv we can't out Lamps' character but if you have a specific idea you can post it. We can focus on the six-fingered man role tho.

wikey @ 8/12/2019 19:19

Lamps duelled Gmaj! Amazing. Okay, yes, we should have fun with the flavour, but try not to reveal Lamps' character

wikey @ 8/12/2019 19:49

Totally forgot there is a lynch to come yet! Still could be worse to come for Mafia, but for the sake of balance I hope they survive today with no more losses. There is potential for a Sock or Mittens lynch.

wikey @ 8/12/2019 19:56

Mafia are becoming the underdog much too fast

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 19:57

wikey @ 8/12/2019 14:50 I feel like Gmaj screwed his entire team by including only townies in his suspect lists Buffy @ 8/12/2019 11:45 Honestly if I were scum I'd be so nervous about what Gmaj was going to say next lol

Buffy @ 8/12/2019 22:25

This Curtis/Ahoda back and forth. I mean, careful who you poke, Ahoda lol. How much do you wanna bet Ahoda breaks down before deadline, admits to being SK, but says Curtis only knows because he's Mafia? idk if I'd bet actually but I can see that happening lol.

wikey @ 9/12/2019 1:52

Mafia are having a full on meltdown.

wikey @ 9/12/2019 1:53

Mafia atm: 3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 3:28

Mafia team has the odd/even SK team totally figured out lol

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 4:39

This night is going to come down to who Josh blocks. Mafia leaving Lamps alive will be a mistake but... they think there's a doc so I can understand it - I would probably be protecting Lamps tonight if I were doc. It's almost as good for town as having a doc since it makes scum wary of killing claimed PRs. And if there were a real doc who got killed/lynched, they wouldn't worry so there is always the doc threat hanging over their heads to make them plan around that potential obstacle.

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 7:08

Mafia janitoring Havo may backfire if they try to pretend they have that role. Havo is trumpeting at Brian and Mafia will have no idea so, if they try to pretend one of them received it, Brian will know they're lying. I guess it depends on whether or not Brian discloses this before one of the Mafia try to pretend they received it. They really should be janitoring Brian imo. I think it's much more believable to claim that as it's a known role and no one will know about the WIFOM part if they janitor him. Nav already said he thinks Brian has that role. I think they're too focused on Havo wanting to lynch Curtis and going along with TIB/Ahoda. They should really think this through. Also, seems like we'll get Masons tomorrow as Primate is "marrying" Lamps/Spin. Neither are set to die via Mafia plans right now so that will probably be a thing tomorrow. Depends still on what Josh does. If he blocks Nav, whatever TIB submits will go through.

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 15:59

Timmah just suggested janitoring Brian or Sock (trying to find doc) and then I remembered Brian's WIFOM which actually makes Brian a bad janitor candidate. Because he wouldn't die at least right away and would be alive playing WIFOM during the day... I guess if he did die after WIFOM he'd be janitored, though.

wikey @ 9/12/2019 19:13

Curtis I absolutely love that we’ve made Ahoda/TiB our bitches and controlled their actions. We have them on a leash and that leash is named Timmah. I bet they wanna kill me so badly tonight lol'd at this btw

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:24

wikey @ 9/12/2019 14:21 I'm surprised that mafia are speculating about the lack of a vigilante. What do they think Lamps is?? Exactly. I mean he gets 3 shots and, yeah, he has to publicly do it and dies if he doesn't get mafia, but it also cuts down on town on town murders which may help town in the long run, depending on the vig.

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:27

wikey @ 9/12/2019 14:23 Is Nav's calculation accurate btw? That if Mafia survive tomorrow and the following night intact, they've got the game in the bag? Idk but it could be pretty close if it's not accurate. So tonight they successfully kill 2 and go into the day with 13? 4/13 plus an extra vote with 7 to lynch means 5 votes could get them what they want. They go into the night with 12, kill 2 more successfully, go into the next day with 10... 5/10 with extra vote - yeah they can lynch whoever they want - which would probably be Ahoda. Depending on the roles left, they could win, yeah.

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:32

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 14:32 If Josh successfully blocks (TIB or Nav) tonight, TIB probably kills Curtis, and he can't steal the vote... tomorrow there's a good possibility Nav gets lynched and then Spider/Timmah have to carry the day. I mean this could still go either way. Also, Spin/Lamps will be sharing a forum (unless Josh blocks Primate which would be lol just because Primate keeps getting blocked) and I could see those making a good choice on what to do. If the redirect isn't blocked, Spin will see TIB killing and Lamps could duel TIB and Lamps would die. OH scratch the first part since Curtis would be protected by Spiderwoman!

wikey @ 9/12/2019 19:33

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:32 LOL so much rides on Josh. Hilarious given how inactive and irrelevant he has been!

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:39

wikey @ 9/12/2019 14:34 Not that excited about a Lamps/Spin mason group lol I know. I wasn't that excited about Brian being in one either... Primate said he was going to do Penner/Spin which would be amazing and fun imo lol - but said he didn't because he would have to apologize about it. idk why. Penner in a non-confirmed Mason group, I'm down for that. With Spin, even better lol.

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:40

wikey @ 9/12/2019 14:39 Not sure what to make of Nav's fake claim idea. It might work. It's definitely better than Spider's Nurse claim idea She could so get away with a doc claim, which makes it so funny.

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:43

If Nav goes with that fake claim... be ready for rants from SK team about us allowing that OP role! haha

Buffy @ 9/12/2019 19:53

wikey @ 9/12/2019 14:13 Curtis I absolutely love that we’ve made Ahoda/TiB our bitches and controlled their actions. We have them on a leash and that leash is named Timmah. I bet they wanna kill me so badly tonight lol'd at this btw Wouldn't the leash be named Nav, though? Does Curtis not know who is who in that forum? or is there a reason I'm missing that he said Timmah lol?

Day 5 + Night 5

Buffy @ 10/12/2019 2:58

Ugh TIB's posts. It's so not enjoyable when people take these games so seriously. I get being frustrated but ugh. Taking your ball and going home, ugh. They still have a shot if Nav gets lynched, killed etc. I mean they know they can't be night-killed, they know there's a role doing this so just chill and hang on. That said, I do feel bad for them. I just wish he'd calm down and see if things change. Also, the attitude might clue Lamps in that he's not mafia since he's so mad... even if Spin announces he tracked TIB which I'm sure he will, Lamps may take a shot at Nav/Curtis. I do think it's likely. idk Nav's play with hinting at info is. What's he going to say once Spin posts and he finds out he doesn't need to do it lol?

Buffy @ 10/12/2019 3:04

Another reason which I forgot to mention for why they shouldn't have janitored Havo.. he hinted (pretty blatantly imo) that he was trumpeter in one of his posts. I think it was Day 3 maybe - he entered and said something like "I'm here, don't sound the trumpets!" I guess it could be taken differently or something... idk but I'm guessing Lamps/Spin or someone else will find that so Mafia won't be able to use his role. Or, if they try, they could look very obvious.

Buffy @ 10/12/2019 4:52

IF Mafia hadn't bum-rushed this lynch today I think Lamps would've killed Nav - esp. with Spin giving him the info that Nav visited Ahoda N2. They can easily deduce now with TIB's flip (if they didn't before lol) that TIB/AHODA are the SK team and figure out Nav tried to redirect Ahoda N2... I think at least. Anyway, now if they kill Lamps and whoever else they want, they pretty much won.. except since Brian can possibly survive at night one time, I guess we'll have to figure that out to see if that affects the #s.

wikey @ 10/12/2019 12:42

I wouldn't take Ahoda and TIB's raging in the threads too seriously. It's a funny and sad situation they find themselves in, I understand the need to vent and take the piss honestly. And I feel the need to vent now I'm sick of these freak situations that develop in our games. Consider the last game we hosted...in Battlestar Mafia scum crushed the town after Nav fake claimed cop, and the only person who could call him out, the actual town Vanilla Cop, disappeared as soon as the game started and never returned (Ender). This game is much worse than that though. In this game, Nav (again!) manages to target the odd/even SK's with his redirect on the first two nights of the game, ON THE CORRECT NIGHTS, and proceeds to use them to effectively give scum 2 kills a night. What are the fucking odds? I mean really, it's ridiculous. While I'm sure Mafia are having fun, it's completely derailed the game, and rendered the third party faction useless. And then you have all the powerful town roles that have been squandered. Christian wasted his lie detector on the one person it would fail on...Brian doesn't get targeted and doesn't get the chance to use WIFOM. IM is taken out on a whim before he can use what was easily the most powerful town role. Madness. The only PR that managed to do something useful was Lamps. He could be useful again but the Mafia almost certainly aren't going to let him live tonight.

wikey @ 10/12/2019 12:53

Mafia have not only had luck on their side, they have also played really well. People will say they were OP, but they've been really active all game and planned really well. It will be a deserved victory if they manage it. No offence to them, but I hope for the sake of the game that they fail tomorrow somehow...

Night 5 Continued...

wikey @ 10/12/2019 13:15

Spin If anything happens to me, the only other bit of info I have is that Nav visited Ahoda on N2. For fuck sake. Spin has no idea how important this bit of intel is. And they won't get chance to do anything with it because this retarded town let the mafia end the day early. Lamps was going to shoot someone too!

wikey @ 10/12/2019 13:28

I hate that Lamps won't get a chance to even the score. Spin casually dropping that info about Nav visiting TIB, and TIB saying in the day thread that the mafia are controlling his kills...it's all set up for the masons to connect the dots, but they won't get the chance.

Buffy @ 10/12/2019 15:03

To be fair, Lamps said he would've shot Ahoda which would've killed Lamps anyway... unless maybe he's lying to Spin in case he's mafia.

Buffy @ 10/12/2019 22:54

Town can still win this... K they are currently killing Lamps and spin... going into the day 4 mafia 6 town. They have the vote steal so they can tie it but if that's a stalemate... still go into night with 10... Do they assume Ahoda can kill still? If so and they redirect him and kill then ok they have at least 1 kill depending on Brian but also have #s to win now. If Ahoda gets a kill off, they go down to 3 mafia and if they attack Brian they could be down to 2. It could happen.

Buffy @ 10/12/2019 22:56

If they keep spin alive. He's tracking Ahoda so that helps mafia make this a slam dunk.

Day 6 + Night 6

wikey @ 11/12/2019 2:49

Well...Nav certainly seems to think they have it in the bag

wikey @ 11/12/2019 2:53

So...this idea of yours for how town turns this around? Do tell! Whatever it is, it's surely a long shot.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 2:54

This is how I think town can win - but only if they don't lynch today - if it ties, which means town has to have every one vote opposite mafia and tie it or some other tie, 4/4, 3/3 etc which won't happen. Then, Mafia does not redirect Ahoda's kill (cause they think he's still only odd night killer) so he kills Mafia successfully tonight (the person is not protected) - that puts them at 3/5 mafia/town going into next day right? Even if they protect successfully, they go into the next day 4/5 right?

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 2:54

js it could happen - also if they target Brian as one of the kills and he successfully wifoms them

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 2:56

I agree it's a longshot but if every single town goes for Curtis and they can't get the lynch on Ahoda.... I do think they can pull off a lynch on someone but it's a possibility they can't.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 2:58

lol Penner still waiting on info before he lynches - info isn't falling into your lap today lol, you'll have to figure it out.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 2:59

Nav thinking they've won.. they can't troll and make it obvious. Not today. Does my scenario make sense tho?

wikey @ 11/12/2019 2:59

Well...it's technically possible I suppose! My guess is that Ahoda will give the game away today though and let on that he can kill both nights now. And even if he doesn't, Nav will probably redirect him for good measure anyway. And this is assuming Town aren't persuaded to lynch Ahoda in the first place. I hope that they aren't that dumb, it should be obvious what's going on at this point. My hope lies in Mafia targeting Brian personally. I'd love for the game to be decided by WIFOM. That seems even more unlikely though.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 3:00

I think it's very possible esp if Curtis starts trolling around - or any of Mafia do.

wikey @ 11/12/2019 3:01

Another thing Mafia perhaps haven't considered is that to force the tie today they have to basically go all in, exposing every last one of them. They might not all be prepared to do that just yet, and there's always potential for Spider to not show up. She's not inactive, but she isn't online as much as the rest. Yeah, there's still potential for a late game upset here.

wikey @ 11/12/2019 3:04

Curtis says he is going to troll...fun times ahead. Mafia celebrating before the finish line here.

wikey @ 11/12/2019 3:07

Penner Also just wanna shout out the odd night SK for making the absolutely wrong move and killing town. The correct move is killing mafia cus they are definitely winning as of now. hahaha Did anyone pay attention to TIB's posts yesterday?

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 3:11

I don't really think anyone's going to buy that Curtis is SK and not Ahoda. TIB/Ahoda made it way too obvious they were a team.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 3:13

wikey @ 10/12/2019 22:12 Seems Primate has figured things out anyway finally

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 3:26

If someone in the mafia forum posts that Ahoda could possibly have been promoted to every night killer, and Nav redirects his kill "for good measure" as you suggest, I agree they probably win. But, Scenario with Mafia redirecting Ahoda to Penner (example) and killing Brian with their factional kill (and Brian surviving wifom) goes into D7 with: 4 mafia 1 sk 4 town Brian defeats mafia and they lynch a mafia, as well. They end the day with: 2 mafia 1 sk 4 town I could keep going but js it's possible they lose if they don't redirect Ahoda and try to attack Brian.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 4:08

lol Nav's claim made me cringe... I think it sounds fake but I also think the way he's selling it seems fake. Like saying he knows "it may sound hard to believe." Could be just because I know he's scum though? Also idk why he put Spider in there? She's going to claim doc so she's got the best claim lol - ofc they don't know that but I think Timmah's been suggesting no doc in the game. Still, think he should've put someone else in there idk.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 6:16

Brian coming in and being the voice of reason. It may result in Mafia attacking him tonight to get him out of the game.. idk. They really need to kill two of the town "vanillas" to ensure their win.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 6:18

Wikey - we have a game rn lol

Buffy

lol tchill thinks Brian is scum - it would be funny if mafia was forced into a Brian lynch by town which would definitely help them.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 7:54

I'm sorry to keep posting about this but.. how do mafia think they've won when it's 4 v 6 rn and this day likely ends in a tie/no lynch? They would have to kill 2 townies tonight to win for sure (they know they can't kill Ahoda) so are they thinking Ahoda can still kill and they can redirect him (which they can but they just haven't said it)? I just don't get their mindset that they think they've won already.

Buffy @ 11/12/2019 7:57

Wikey, am I the stupidest person on earth? what am I missing?

wikey @ 11/12/2019 13:33

I don't think you're missing anything. Timmah Curt Nav Spider Ahoda Primate Brian tchill13 Penner Sock 1 SK, 5 town, 4 Mafia: 6 vs 4 Today almost certainly ends in a tie. Curtis has used all his vote steals at this point, so they have 4 votes max from here on. Let's say mafia play it perfectly and kill two vanillas during the night (assuming they figure out Ahoda can kill still). So let's say they take out Primate and Sock. They start tomorrow like this: Timmah Curt Nav Spider Ahoda Brian tchill13 Penner At this point, they will have achieved parity with the remaining players. They can force another tie and kill again. And that, I think, is where the confusion arises. Mafia don't know about Brian's WIFOM, so they may think that we will call it game over when they reach parity with the remaining players. They have no idea that there is still a role in play that can fuck them up and salvage town/Ahoda's chances It's simple. For Mafia to win, they must not target Brian at all with their next two factional kills. If they redirect Ahoda to him, that's a win/win situation for them too. Only Mafia targeting Brian can change the outcome of this game. Which I fucking love, and hope happens. But let's be real here, Mafia are probably going to win.

wikey @ 11/12/2019 13:35

Mafia must think Ahoda can kill every night now or they wouldn't be acting like they've won already... My favourite outcome at this point: Ahoda/TIB victory. It would be the funniest outcome to a Mafia game I've ever seen, and while the possibility remains I will be rooting for it. God I hope they send Nav to kill Brian tonight. It would be amazing.

wikey @ 11/12/2019 13:37

Curtis claiming SK makes no sense strategically but it is fucking funny.

wikey @ 11/12/2019 13:38

Brian claiming Searcher is great too. They might want to target him for aesthetic reasons...you know, killing Westley etc. And they may mistake him for a vanilla. PLEASE HAPPEN

wikey @ 11/12/2019 13:55

Curtis Uh Nav. How exactly did we win It’s 4 v 6 right now but with the vote steal we have a draw today. Then we get one kill tonight And go into tomorrow 4 v 5 and get lynched... Am I missing something kek

wikey @ 11/12/2019 13:55

Ahoda better stay quiet about his ability to kill

wikey @ 11/12/2019 17:27

The Mafia think they're fucked now. Today's thread in their forum is a fun read. They definitely made a mistake by trusting Nav's count and not double checking for themselves. Their biggest blunder of the game and their only real HOL moment. Little do they know how good their position actually is. Their ignorance of Ahoda becoming full SK, and Brians WIFOM are the only things standing in the way of them winning. I realize I made a mistake saying that the only way they'd lose is if they target Brian and lose WIFOM. First and foremost they absolutely must redirect Ahoda tonight. They seem to be buying the claim he's still only an odd night killer, but Curtis is already suggesting they still redirect him anyway. Wise move. Who I'd like to win, in order: Ahoda/TIB - After the awful luck they have had, it would be a great end if Ahoda managed to finally gain control of one of his kills and somehow steer himself to victory. That all depends on Nav. Sadly I don't see him getting the chance! Town - It hasn't been a good performance by many, but it would be fair to argue they didn't get much of a chance given that Mafia effectively had two kills per night and took out most of the Power Roles early on. Brian and Lamps have been the standout players for me. Tchill and Primate have rallied today too. Sock is...Sock. I'm probably forgetting some others who had a good game. Mafia - It would be 100% deserved, they've all been active and stayed under the radar long enough to get to this point. Only Curtis and Nav are actually exposed at this late stage, and even that was deliberate. Timmah and Spider are relatively safe. They deffo had some major luck targeting Ahoda/TIB and controlling their kills, but they capitalized on that luck well. I'm happy with whoever wins though...it's just fun to root for the underdog.

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 1:31

I really think if mafia doesn't redirect Ahoda as a "just in case" they're dumb. Like who else would Nav redirect anyway? But it's possible since no one on the mafia team has brought up the possibility Ahoda can kill every night now.

wikey @ 12/12/2019 1:53

Can't fault the Mafia's strategy today despite the mistake with the numbers. Going all in and giving the impression that the game is a foregone conclusion was the best move they could make. Ahoda and Brian are probably the only ones who aren't falling for it.

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 4:18

lol Mafia deciding who to kill... Nav suggests... Brian. :) (My bet is Curtis puts the kibosh on that.)

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 4:38

Hey.. like.. no offense Nav but... is someone else going to take over the strategy now lol? JK! I love Nav so much... but it's so funny he miscalculated and they just decided to troll the day!

wikey @ 12/12/2019 10:50

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 4:18 lol Mafia deciding who to kill... Nav suggests... Brian. :) (My bet is Curtis puts the kibosh on that.) Don't do it Curtis! I need to see this. Have they even submitted a redirect for Ahoda yet? Surely they have to take a chance on him just in case. Now that they know Brian's character, I do think it would be silly to take a shot at him, especially given that they were speculating he was lynchproof yesterday. I imagine they'll go for Primate in the end, but we'll see.

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 16:38

lol they're doing it. They are speculating now that Ahoda has full kills and are redirecting him to Penner... and Timmah is killing Brian. I think it's VERY silly to think we made the lead character only a searcher, especially when Curtis was wondering if we made him unlynchable.

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 16:40

It's also possible that Brian doesn't know it's Timmah and they lynch him during the day and during WIFOM. I think they were speculating Timmah may be vote thief, though, so maybe they go back to Curtis when no one says their vote was stolen. A lot could change, though, if they change to Nav and/or Brian survives and Timmah dies.

wikey @ 12/12/2019 22:55

I'm glad WIFOM looks like it's going to be played after all. I'm not sure it will change the result of the game even if Timmah loses. Regardless, this is good!

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 23:35

I ran a few scenarios and I think things can definitely change if Brian wins WIFOM. I think it gives SK a pretty good shot at winning - depending on who Town decides to side with because it's less likely Town wins - but it is still possible depending. I also think Mafia should be killing Primate instead of Brian - not only because of the likely possibility Westley has more to his role (they should at least consider he may be BP or 1 time BP) but also because Brian is more likely to listen to reason where it comes down to a possibility SK wins and side with Mafia instead of Ahoda... I think.

Buffy @ 12/12/2019 23:38

It could also change if Mafia wins WIFOM - if they lynch Nav. Also, I think Mafia should try to get Timmah lynched once they find out - because one of them is getting lynched so may as well mitigate the damage and not have one lynched and one killed. We'll see what happens but it's in Timmah's & Mafia's best interests to make sure Brian doesn't think it's him.

Day 7 + Night 7

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 1:50

Alright, Brian has poisoned... GLASS A! Let the game of wits begin!

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 2:08

vizzini @ 12/12/2019 21:03 Wait why dont we just lynch Cultis and use Ahoda's redirect again? For confirmed win? Why does Nav keep thinking they've won when they haven't lol? Are they not counting the fact if Curtis dies AND Timmah dies, they only have 2 left against 4 town and 1 SK going into the night? They still won't be at a majority tomorrow and Nav will get lynched, then they're done and Ahoda probably wins unless town sides with mafia over SK.

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 2:10

They really need to lynch Timmah unless someone doesn't show up and they get another no lynch.

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 2:13

nvm by Timmah not being here Brian knows it's him - or guesses it is ... that's the only lame part of these types of games - you can't hide from them who's online. I kinda wish we did this in the night instead tbh. Also, Brian can deduce it's not Curtis since Curtis is acting like the wine thing is optional.

wikey @ 13/12/2019 2:42

Timmah Also NAV MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS Yup. If I understand the situation correctly, Timmah must survive WIFOM and Nav survive the lynch today, otherwise Mafia are fucked. That sound about right?

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 2:42

Both sides think they lost when it's not the case. ALL sides I should say.

wikey @ 13/12/2019 2:43

You know it's a good endgame when the hosts have no idea who is going to win but all remaining factions think they have lost

wikey @ 13/12/2019 2:45

I'm no longer rooting for Ahoda. No one has the advantage now, so there's no underdog to cheer on!

wikey @ 13/12/2019 2:51

What the fuck is this game tho? All the mafia + the SK are outed and they all still have a chance of winning. This game is messed up! In a good way

wikey @ 13/12/2019 2:54

Fucking hell Timmah is going with A as a preliminary action

wikey @ 13/12/2019 2:54

This role is evil. We should never use it again

wikey @ 12/12/2019 21:53

This is impossible to predict.

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 2:57

humperdinck @ 12/12/2019 21:48 I’m usually a B type of guy, but this time I was immediately all LETS GO A!, so I’m gonna die on that hill. But I was curious what everyone else thought anyway. Ooops... yes you are gonna die on that hill lol.

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 3:21

wikey @ 12/12/2019 22:14 Is it bad I'm rooting for Mafia now? Nah, I was rooting for Timmah to win WIFOM lol.. But to be honest it was dumb to kill Brian when Curtis already surmised he may have more to his role and a BP was a very likely thing even if they didn't think know about WIFOM. Also the miscalculation thinking they were going to win earlier than they really were and Curtis using that first vote steal was unnecessary (cause TIB would've been lynched without it - not that they knew this but it was still premature to use it) so he would have had another one to use today. Also, outing themselves when they thought they had won. So, yeah they made some mistakes but still played very well despite that.

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 3:34

Also, I've decided I'm over the WIFOM role. Out of my system! lol

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 4:10

Also I know I've said this but Mafia should be trying to get them to lynch Timmah - it might be futile but idk why they're not considering this.

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 4:31

brute @ 12/12/2019 23:14 IF Ahoda does lynch himself then it's 4-4 and the duel outcome doesn't actually matter. If the hosts stop the game the second it's 4-4 since we achieved our win condition then it ends before the duel is processed. If not, Brian dying just further seals our win while Timmah dying makes it 3-4 and we win with a kill So if Ahoda lynches himself (or someone else lynches him) we win no matter what I believe This actually makes sense. That technically, if the lynch occurs prior to WIFOM being processed, and it's 4/4 the Mafia did actually meet their win condition. But then again, if that happens and Timmah dies, they still get a kill off and also meet their win condition as soon as they pick who to kill so it doesn't really matter. It's just that Timmah would flip/die before Mafia wins. I really don't think Ahoda will lynch himself. But it could still end in a no lynch if tchill doesn't show. Then it would be: 3 Mafia 1 SK 4 Town Mafia kills 2 town and wins.

Buffy @ 13/12/2019 19:34

lol Timmah hitting on the fact if they lynch him they only have one death and Nav quickly dismissing it.

Day 8 Onwards

wikey @ 14/12/2019 0:52

Oh man Mafia had a rough day

wikey @ 14/12/2019 1:34

Can Mafia win at this point?

wikey @ 14/12/2019 3:07

This is the darkest ending!

wikey @ 14/12/2019 3:12

The darkest, but perhaps most appropriate ending? Mafia owe a lot to the SK's stolen kills for this victory, so it's kind of fitting that the SK's will be honoured as a victor. Amazing that Ahoda will finally get a kill on the last night too lol. And that he will choose Town instead of the mafia redirector. Mafia should have been the sole victors, but I reckon they'll be happy with this!

Buffy @ 14/12/2019 3:14

But it's kinda fitting since town didn't deserve to win. Also, all town really did was help SK win the game so it's nice of SK to share... if he actually does tomorrow lol. Spider could kill Brian instead of self-protecting and guarantee she gets the joint win but I think she and Ahoda will probably stick to it.

wikey @ 14/12/2019 3:17

Ultimate twist: Brian teams up with Spider to lynch Ahoda

wikey @ 14/12/2019 3:48

Buffy I feel like this is both the best and the worst maifia game we've hosted, if that makes any sense.

I read this and all i got was the only person Buffy wanted to win less than me was ahoda.

I also didn't take my ball and go home. My ball was taken from me and i was forced to watch other people play with it.

I figured that's all you would get out of it. I'm sorry you hated the game.

Thisisbad @ 15/12/2019 15:22

I also didn't take my ball and go home. My ball was taken from me and i was forced to watch other people play with it.

lol'd

Buffy @ 15/12/2019 15:25

I figured that's all you would get out of it. I'm sorry you hated the game.

There you go with that defeatist attitude again.

Tib not hate game. Tib frustrated. Big difference.

Tib appreciates all the hard work that goes into a game like this and i believe tib thanked the mods and didn't bash or hate on them or their game.

We had an ongoing commentary as the game went along. We almost didn't post any of it but Wikey went through and picked out certain comments to post.... of which the one you're referring to was left in and I really don't care. That's how I felt at the time.

Um great i don't care either. So all good either way

So what would have happened if Ahoda no killed and we tried to redirect him?

Prince Navneeta @ 15/12/2019 16:02

So what would have happened if Ahoda no killed and we tried to redirect him?

Ahoda comes to your house and kicks you in the shin

Thanks for posting. Thus was the most intriguing game I've played for wanting to see mods thoughts.


This was such a weird game and I appreciate the game your 2

Prince Navneeta @ 15/12/2019 17:02

So what would have happened if Ahoda no killed and we tried to redirect him?

Nothing gbecause you cant force me to use my role

We decided the redirect would direct any action - wouldn't have mattered if the player chose to use it or not, if they had an action, Nav could've redirected it.

I would probably change that mechanic in the future.

Note - we also considered a town bus driver, which we dismissed later. Spin, the horse, was almost a bus driver.

And then, after the fact, we were considering if it would have been better to give mafia a bus driver and/or town a redirect but tbh a town redirector could've done the same thing Mafia did if they hit on the right role N1, although without a team behind them so... probably not as successfully.

Bottom line, I don't regret the redirector role, it had major power, but they also had to find the right roles early on to make it so powerful and things just came together for mafia to capitalize on it.

Love the selective insight from you two!! Wish we had this more often in games