Seeing Jess struggling with the challenge and how she didn't throw made me sad, at least she is loyal. I am really not sure how long she will be able to keep Matt and I feel like that might end up causing her to go, but I hope not, I really like Jess and watching her play

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but did Anders say that Danny has the Clotho Dying Wish Immunity, instead of Jessaca? And this is on top of Alejandro fabricating to Chris & Anders that Danny has the Hidden Immunity idol.

Lmfao at Jessaca being able to palm off the targets for both her immunities off to Danny. Jessfather we stan.

Michael 'Vic' Vicario @ 26/11/2018 0:25

I mean I'm going to jump in and defend Lexi and say maybe she honestly couldn't finish the drink. If I were her I still wouldn't have been able to finish it. You could've given me until next week and we'd still be waiting. Some people find it difficult to do that stuff and that's how she expressed it to me at least.

For me it's not her actual inability to finish the drink that bothered me; that's perfectly legitimate and the same scenario would have happened, but the narrative would be slightly different. The narrative is this way only because Lexi's initial comments about wanting to throw the challenge -- I think it really bit her and no matter what her true intentions were/are, because the result lined up with her initial thoughts of potentially throwing to get Jack out, it's painted her in a very poor light. I value trying in challenges and I hate the idea of throwing a challenge in order to get someone out (RIP John Wilson I love you sweet prince), so because of her initial thoughts lining up with the result, it's easy to come to a conclusion that she threw it whether she did or not.

Also, Abby/Bryce/Matt/Sarena are the only four in Endure (to my knowledge?) to have made it to merge without facing a single (legitimate) tribal.

Jayden Osborne @ 26/11/2018 18:09

Jessaca is dead set on keeping Matthew at the eventual merge round but I just don't know how she'll be able to do it. I could see her grabbing Matthew, Sarena, Danny, Lexi & herself but that's about it, and that's only a 5 (which might not even be able to be pulled together). Maybe she can convince the others to split their votes and then go for a 5-3-3 or something like that? Bryce might be the swing vote but I don't know where his head is at. I do approve of this move, because I think if she gives up Matt here there are just so few people left in the game for her to work with and she'll just end up running out of options. Next round having like half the tribe immune is just going to make it impossible to plan for though which is annoying. Maybe it'll make it easier for Jessaca to play her idol on someone to take another player out though if there's only 3-6 players eligible for votes.

Actually nevermind, the more I think about it the more I'm excited at the possibilities. I'm envisioning that the merge will probably come down to Jessaca, Danny, Lexi, Matthew & Sarena vs. Abby, Alejandro, Anders, Chris & Naomi with Bryce in the middle between the two sides which is a really fun dynamic. I'm hoping that Jessaca can solidify that group in time for a real vote.

I don't love that it's clearly only coming together because Jessaca & Matthew knew each other pre-game and I don't buy for a second that Matthew would've been able to foster up this relationship with Jessaca to cause her to flip without that history... but I think it'll result in some fun dynamics regardless.

Also this is why I'm a big fan of throwing challenges while you have the majority, and something I remember addressing with Utren last season. Alejandro, Anders, Chris & Abby would've 100% got their way had they lost any of these pre-merge challenges and could've been totally set. Having this much time between votes just means that people get bored and lose interest in the current plan and eventually figure out that there's a better play for them. This majority left too much time without solidifying these numbers with a vote and it's potentially gonna bite them. Long live the Jessfather.

If that's the case then I see Bryce siding with the Atropos people and Abby.

Michael 'Vic' Vicario @ 27/11/2018 0:58

If that's the case then I see Bryce siding with the Atropos people and Abby.

The Jessfather's idol will fix that right up.

Yeah I want to clarify, I’m not upset at Lexi not finishing, I’ve hosted plenty of people who weren’t able to drink these concoctions. It was her attitude about the whole thing. From the beginning she was contemplating throwing and then she commented about how she didn’t care and it was jacks life not hers so it didn’t matter, which led me to believe if she had been in danger she would have done it, not that she couldn’t. In my opinion she is comfortable because of this immunity and not thinking bigger picture which was the disappointing thing to me

Watching Jacks confessional, I really feel for him. Like I think his frustrations are most of ours, but like even he pointed out, if he and Naomi saved kait this wouldn’t have happened this way and him not talking to Lexi is his downfall.

The screenshot Naomi posted of her and Jack pretty much saying goodbye to each other broke my heart

Yupp. Why couldn't they have planned at all for the dying wish...

Naomi, 11:28 AM
Update: I'm going to literally murder Lexi if she doesn't message me back before tribal council jfc

Jack, 5:40 AM
I’m going home
Lexi hasn’t messaged me back about my plea to stay

Jack, 10:03 AM
Lexi hasn’t messaged Naomi either
Which means Lexi fucking sucks


Lexi complaining that Jack didn't talk to her post-Tribal council and then going right to not talking to Jack OR Naomi at all since the challenge is rich, lol.

I cannot fathom why she is leaving both Naomi & Jack in the dark like this? She had a shot to enter the merge with three solid numbers and for seemingly no reason decided to bring that down to two, and then for even less reason she isn't communicating with the person she's going to save at all so she's just gonna bring that down to a lone one. The fuck Lexi lol??? Did someone promise to pay her if she got a 0 on this weeks Cast Rankings poll because that's what it feels like she's angling towards lmao.

I totally agree with you guys. This was a mistake on Lexi’s part. She may benefit from it somehow that we don’t yet see, but regardless it sets a narrative for a finale and does more to lock her out of winning.

Naomi played the twist very well. All the decisions that were made on this tribe with the Dying Wish benefitted Naomi, despite not getting the dying wish herself and she very much orchestrated that.

It blows my mind that Naomi, Jack and Lexi thought this round was a merge when Endure typically merges later than 13 and usually has larger casts than 18 people. A really quick search would’ve shown that or just reasoning out that has 1 tribe before the swap, lost all 4 rounds they would’ve swapped with 2 players, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

Not looking closer at this Dying Wish twist is really what kills Jack here. In any season of Endure to this day we’ve seen people who play the twist well make it further overall. Season 1 had challenges thrown with slave trades and swaps, season 2 had people usuing the Kavachi to their benefit, 3 had people taking advantage of mystery tribal, The Circle in 4 was a huge factor for strong alliances and don’t even get people started on the Ties that Bind. Unfortunately for Jack he played the pre swap too MIA and the post swap too blindly. Like it or not defense on the twist is always the right move. Defense wins championships.

Yeah, its especially unforgiveable because even IF they were going to merge, why not get the dying wish? It wasn't exactly a difficult situation to finesse, and they completely dropped the ball.

I love jack/naomi, and I think this could have been an amazing turning point for the season. That said its hard to be too sad about it when it was them ignoring it out of pride.

At least I'll always look back and laugh at Meleager being a true A+ trainwreck tribe. What an utter disaster this post-swap has been for them. 💕